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3. I have news for you socialism is alive and well

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:48 AM

Mar 2016

"Communism" fell but not socialism you just have to look north to Canada to see it. Good point though about India and China

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You have missed the most important economic story in the past 20 years [View all] Recursion Mar 2016 OP

USA's capitalists sent them the factories, jobs, and customers to do it. Why? Because they love NCjack Mar 2016 #1

Our greedy Nationalists will say "that should be our middle class' money, screw rest of the world." Hoyt Mar 2016 #2

so long as you've still got your's i guess tk2kewl Mar 2016 #4

I have nothing against people in foreign countries sharing in the world's wealth. Why do you? Hoyt Mar 2016 #5

Right? Recursion Mar 2016 #6

really? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #8

Yes, I do. The past 20 years prove that. Recursion Mar 2016 #11

of course i care tk2kewl Mar 2016 #15

No we aren't; that's a complete lie Recursion Mar 2016 #16

U.S. Census Bureau tk2kewl Mar 2016 #20

OK, sure, it's higher than at a given point in the past Recursion Mar 2016 #22

The 2014 poverty rate was 2.3 percentage points higher than in 2007 tk2kewl Mar 2016 #61

Yeah, no fair counting the time after Wall Steet wrecked the economy!! Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #81

The neolibs cry "ZENERFOBIA" . . . . HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #13

There is no such thing as zero sum trade Recursion Mar 2016 #14

Well, OK. You said it, so it must be true. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #27

yeah... i hate the poor brown people tk2kewl Mar 2016 #17

You sure seem to Recursion Mar 2016 #18

how's the caviar? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #21

Can't get it here Recursion Mar 2016 #24

you mean where even my government employer hires tk2kewl Mar 2016 #25

Sure, if that's how you see it. How's the caviar? Recursion Mar 2016 #26

i wouldn't even know where to find it. tk2kewl Mar 2016 #28

Yes, in fact, in the seafood section Recursion Mar 2016 #29

never had it tk2kewl Mar 2016 #31

Well, you lied about that so I stopped reading Recursion Mar 2016 #32

they hire them tk2kewl Mar 2016 #35

Oh, so a *contractor* hired them? Recursion Mar 2016 #36

sorry if I'm confusing you by being brief tk2kewl Mar 2016 #39

Honestly I'm still enormously skeptical Recursion Mar 2016 #41

I work for a muni tk2kewl Mar 2016 #42

If you want to. Recursion Mar 2016 #43

I PM'd you so that you may confirm my account tk2kewl Mar 2016 #58

Actually, we will do much better as world progresses, unless hatred/greed of some consumes us. Hoyt Mar 2016 #19

If they get no job of equal pay to replace the one they were forcibly displaced from, it kind of is. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #30

Denying people in other countries a chance, is disgusting. Most job displacements here, were not Hoyt Mar 2016 #37

That's intentional "parts without a whole". HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #49

Job off-shoring to you, but a chance at a decent life for some "peasant" elsewhere. You can't see Hoyt Mar 2016 #71

AT THE PRICE OF A WORKER'S LIVELIHOOD. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #73

Americans first, I know, screw the rest of the world. We've taken more than our share of the world's Hoyt Mar 2016 #74

OK, what income level would be acceptable for an average American family to make? HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #77

What income is OK for a Mexican "peasant" so you can have your desired income? Hoyt Mar 2016 #79

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #84

I would say you're not mentioning that everyone is sort of cool with it The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #82

True, but we like being in the world's military, it helps protect our Nationalistic greed. Hoyt Mar 2016 #83

Not exactly. Octafish Mar 2016 #87

Bingo! Now that's the kind of response I expect on a progressive site. brush Mar 2016 #40

if anyone were serious about lifting the third world out of poverty tk2kewl Mar 2016 #66

Someone must be serious about it since it is happening. There being no 'invisible hand'. pampango Mar 2016 #69

Well that and historical, and economic, blindness whatthehey Mar 2016 #33

^^ Wisdom Recursion Mar 2016 #34

The British solved the one way payments problem 1939 Mar 2016 #50

Yep - that's the insularity of the Qing and western military might bit whatthehey Mar 2016 #59

Opium 1939 Mar 2016 #62

Yes indeed. The better response whatthehey Mar 2016 #63

what have you shared? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #7

Most of those doing better in India, China, Mexico, etc., aren't working for G Sachs. Hoyt Mar 2016 #23

The OP isn't talking about "the world's wealth". He's talking about my wages. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #45

Our livelihoods absolutely depend on trade Recursion Mar 2016 #9

we can create a better reality tk2kewl Mar 2016 #10

We are, right now. The Indian and Chinese middle classes prove that Recursion Mar 2016 #12

Wow. Just wow. revbones Mar 2016 #51

Lifting all boats in helping other countries progress. You Nationalists crack me up. You realize Hoyt Mar 2016 #70

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhh . . . HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #75

Actually, I'm making the argument that it's not just America's 1%ers who are greedy. Hoyt Mar 2016 #80

I have news for you socialism is alive and well awake Mar 2016 #3

Is world prosperity a "zero-sum, us-vs-them" affair? Trump, et al would say "Yes". pampango Mar 2016 #38

If we live on a finite planet, then yeah, it's zero-sum The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #52

So we have to hold others down or kick them down, so that we can prosper? pampango Mar 2016 #55

Kicking down seems to be popular :/ (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #57

Well that's where we get into trouble The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #64

Anything other than random 'shared sacrifice' or 'sacrifice just in poor, weak countries' will have pampango Mar 2016 #68

And that's where it gets complicated The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #72

I think most liberals are willing to sacrifice for the greater good. I'm pretty typical in that way. pampango Mar 2016 #85

Your second paragraph is one of the most beautiful statements jwirr Mar 2016 #76

Thank you. n/t pampango Mar 2016 #86

Define "accept that fact" n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #44

From $1.99 to $2.00 a day? How big a difference are we talking here? Bradical79 Mar 2016 #46

Mostly from about $1 to about $3 Recursion Mar 2016 #47

Do you have a source? Bradical79 Mar 2016 #48

I'm sure you did read that Recursion Mar 2016 #53

It's your thread Bradical79 Mar 2016 #67

The walton family made 150 billion offshoring american jobs Csainvestor Mar 2016 #54

You may not know it but you just confirmed what the OP jwirr Mar 2016 #78

Digitalization and large container ships have shrunk the world. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #56

Liberals: We're all in this together. Conservatives: Keep those poor people and their problems away pampango Mar 2016 #60

Lots of us have been watching, Recursion. This didn't happen yesterday. Hortensis Mar 2016 #65

LOL! Rex Mar 2016 #88

"It was not the fall of socialism" tenderfoot Mar 2016 #89