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whatthehey

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33. Well that and historical, and economic, blindness
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:24 AM
Mar 2016

The problem for medieval traders was finding anything the Chinese wanted from Europe in order to buy their goods at the end of the Silk Road. This was really only solved by the massive gold and silver finds in the Americas. Of all the precious metal Spain grabbed from the New World, China ended up with the most by a country mile. It was only the foolish insularity (ironic that) of the later Qing emperors and the military superiority of the West that temporarily moved the balance of economic power westward over the last century or two. And even now people piss and moan about the imports from China, then ignore the $150B in US exports. Same with "our" jobs over there (what exactly made them our jobs in the first place?) and the 1.7T in foreign investment, but forget the 1.1T in Chinese investment in return. Sure there is a negative balance in both, butthat's what happens between richer and poorer trading partners. Ironically, the very wealth transfer they decry will eventually lessen, and perhaps even reverse, that imbalance and the Chinese will worry about "their" jobs, which will still be a silly notion in either direction, going to the US service and capital goods sectors.

USA's capitalists sent them the factories, jobs, and customers to do it. Why? Because they love NCjack Mar 2016 #1
Our greedy Nationalists will say "that should be our middle class' money, screw rest of the world." Hoyt Mar 2016 #2
so long as you've still got your's i guess tk2kewl Mar 2016 #4
I have nothing against people in foreign countries sharing in the world's wealth. Why do you? Hoyt Mar 2016 #5
Right? Recursion Mar 2016 #6
really? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #8
Yes, I do. The past 20 years prove that. Recursion Mar 2016 #11
of course i care tk2kewl Mar 2016 #15
No we aren't; that's a complete lie Recursion Mar 2016 #16
U.S. Census Bureau tk2kewl Mar 2016 #20
OK, sure, it's higher than at a given point in the past Recursion Mar 2016 #22
The 2014 poverty rate was 2.3 percentage points higher than in 2007 tk2kewl Mar 2016 #61
Yeah, no fair counting the time after Wall Steet wrecked the economy!! Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #81
The neolibs cry "ZENERFOBIA" . . . . HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #13
There is no such thing as zero sum trade Recursion Mar 2016 #14
Well, OK. You said it, so it must be true. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #27
yeah... i hate the poor brown people tk2kewl Mar 2016 #17
You sure seem to Recursion Mar 2016 #18
how's the caviar? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #21
Can't get it here Recursion Mar 2016 #24
you mean where even my government employer hires tk2kewl Mar 2016 #25
Sure, if that's how you see it. How's the caviar? Recursion Mar 2016 #26
i wouldn't even know where to find it. tk2kewl Mar 2016 #28
Yes, in fact, in the seafood section Recursion Mar 2016 #29
never had it tk2kewl Mar 2016 #31
Well, you lied about that so I stopped reading Recursion Mar 2016 #32
they hire them tk2kewl Mar 2016 #35
Oh, so a *contractor* hired them? Recursion Mar 2016 #36
sorry if I'm confusing you by being brief tk2kewl Mar 2016 #39
Honestly I'm still enormously skeptical Recursion Mar 2016 #41
I work for a muni tk2kewl Mar 2016 #42
If you want to. Recursion Mar 2016 #43
I PM'd you so that you may confirm my account tk2kewl Mar 2016 #58
Actually, we will do much better as world progresses, unless hatred/greed of some consumes us. Hoyt Mar 2016 #19
If they get no job of equal pay to replace the one they were forcibly displaced from, it kind of is. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #30
Denying people in other countries a chance, is disgusting. Most job displacements here, were not Hoyt Mar 2016 #37
That's intentional "parts without a whole". HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #49
Job off-shoring to you, but a chance at a decent life for some "peasant" elsewhere. You can't see Hoyt Mar 2016 #71
AT THE PRICE OF A WORKER'S LIVELIHOOD. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #73
Americans first, I know, screw the rest of the world. We've taken more than our share of the world's Hoyt Mar 2016 #74
OK, what income level would be acceptable for an average American family to make? HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #77
What income is OK for a Mexican "peasant" so you can have your desired income? Hoyt Mar 2016 #79
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #84
I would say you're not mentioning that everyone is sort of cool with it The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #82
True, but we like being in the world's military, it helps protect our Nationalistic greed. Hoyt Mar 2016 #83
Not exactly. Octafish Mar 2016 #87
Bingo! Now that's the kind of response I expect on a progressive site. brush Mar 2016 #40
if anyone were serious about lifting the third world out of poverty tk2kewl Mar 2016 #66
Someone must be serious about it since it is happening. There being no 'invisible hand'. pampango Mar 2016 #69
Well that and historical, and economic, blindness whatthehey Mar 2016 #33
^^ Wisdom Recursion Mar 2016 #34
The British solved the one way payments problem 1939 Mar 2016 #50
Yep - that's the insularity of the Qing and western military might bit whatthehey Mar 2016 #59
Opium 1939 Mar 2016 #62
Yes indeed. The better response whatthehey Mar 2016 #63
what have you shared? tk2kewl Mar 2016 #7
Most of those doing better in India, China, Mexico, etc., aren't working for G Sachs. Hoyt Mar 2016 #23
The OP isn't talking about "the world's wealth". He's talking about my wages. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #45
Our livelihoods absolutely depend on trade Recursion Mar 2016 #9
we can create a better reality tk2kewl Mar 2016 #10
We are, right now. The Indian and Chinese middle classes prove that Recursion Mar 2016 #12
Wow. Just wow. revbones Mar 2016 #51
Lifting all boats in helping other countries progress. You Nationalists crack me up. You realize Hoyt Mar 2016 #70
Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhh . . . HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #75
Actually, I'm making the argument that it's not just America's 1%ers who are greedy. Hoyt Mar 2016 #80
I have news for you socialism is alive and well awake Mar 2016 #3
Is world prosperity a "zero-sum, us-vs-them" affair? Trump, et al would say "Yes". pampango Mar 2016 #38
If we live on a finite planet, then yeah, it's zero-sum The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #52
So we have to hold others down or kick them down, so that we can prosper? pampango Mar 2016 #55
Kicking down seems to be popular :/ (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #57
Well that's where we get into trouble The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #64
Anything other than random 'shared sacrifice' or 'sacrifice just in poor, weak countries' will have pampango Mar 2016 #68
And that's where it gets complicated The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #72
I think most liberals are willing to sacrifice for the greater good. I'm pretty typical in that way. pampango Mar 2016 #85
Your second paragraph is one of the most beautiful statements jwirr Mar 2016 #76
Thank you. n/t pampango Mar 2016 #86
Define "accept that fact" n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #44
From $1.99 to $2.00 a day? How big a difference are we talking here? Bradical79 Mar 2016 #46
Mostly from about $1 to about $3 Recursion Mar 2016 #47
Do you have a source? Bradical79 Mar 2016 #48
I'm sure you did read that Recursion Mar 2016 #53
It's your thread Bradical79 Mar 2016 #67
The walton family made 150 billion offshoring american jobs Csainvestor Mar 2016 #54
You may not know it but you just confirmed what the OP jwirr Mar 2016 #78
Digitalization and large container ships have shrunk the world. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #56
Liberals: We're all in this together. Conservatives: Keep those poor people and their problems away pampango Mar 2016 #60
Lots of us have been watching, Recursion. This didn't happen yesterday. Hortensis Mar 2016 #65
LOL! Rex Mar 2016 #88
"It was not the fall of socialism" tenderfoot Mar 2016 #89
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