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newthinking

(3,982 posts)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:21 AM Jun 2012

If we lose, I believe *this* post demonstrates why [View all]

From Comments (Not Obama's, a Democrat) placed on the NBC news page declaring the winner:

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There is a time and place for Unions and the time is over and the place is not within any of our government employee base, and I'm a Democrat that has some of the same believes as a Republican. I attribute some of the current problems We face to date because of Unions, I'm not going to hide my head in the sand and march to any piper. >>>>>>> Obama 2012
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(Edit as I think it was being misunderstood due to grammer problems. The poster is saying they support Obama at the end, it is not an Obama Quote)

We are loosing the war of ideas by compromising and not holding to a strong and distinct message and that is reflected daily, even here on these boards , this comment reflects that.

I don't believe we will loose the Presidency. But the way we are conducting business as Democrats, mixing our message and sometimes even values, even expressing some Republican talking points in to "appeal" to "centrists, is too weak to counter the power of monitized and consistant messaging by the other forces.

We know what Republicans believe in. It is confused *Democrats*, like the one above, that will weaken our party and it's strength in the ballot box. I believe we will see more and more "cross over" as we lose on the issues, even if we manage to hold ground in many offices. And unfortunately that will have been much of our own making.

This is not a "Blame Obama" post. Hopefully it will be seen as a "Wake Up" post. We need to support Democrats, but we also need to insist and strengthen our support for *all* of primary progressive values and ideas. You know.. the ones we used to believe in with more conviction in the past. Whether that involves Unions, Teachers, Taxes, Detrimental Globalization, Environment, Safety Net, Social Security, Gender equality, LGBT rights, Democracy, Fair Economics .... all of it. We have science and history as a basis and we should never jetison the strength of our convictions based on expediency in "reaching out". Because ultimately that is a loosing proposition.

link:
http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/05/12074595-nbc-news-walker-emerges-victorious-in-wisconsin-recall#comments

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I can not believe Obama said that. Show me a link or citation that is verifiable. mahina Jun 2012 #1
+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #3
What are your referring to? And I have attached the link newthinking Jun 2012 #4
Oh, the President is posting under the name Sam2468 now?! mac56 Jun 2012 #9
You know, Sam. Sam Obama? mahina Jun 2012 #11
No, Come-on. The poster does not have good grammer, it is obviously their thoughts not Obama's newthinking Jun 2012 #14
Was not at all obvious to me. mahina Jun 2012 #25
The OP does not say Obama said it Bjorn Against Jun 2012 #12
I am not familure with that quote, but if it is being spread around, then yes, that is problematic ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #2
The only thing that makes it "problematic" is not challenging its validity. mac56 Jun 2012 #5
My guess is, only people who are really into politics will bother to google it. ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #21
Now that is pretty damn funny. mahina Jun 2012 #26
You need a more specific citation than "Obama 2012" . . . markpkessinger Jun 2012 #6
+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #7
Yep, I did the same. mahina Jun 2012 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Jun 2012 #33
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2012 #46
well, anyone can post public comments Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #8
. mahina Jun 2012 #20
Yeah, there is just no way that came from the President. If you copied and pasted, it was mahina Jun 2012 #10
Looks like a BS quote- here's what he said in 2008: Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #13
That is not an OBAMA quote. It is the words of Sams2468!!!!!!!!! newthinking Jun 2012 #17
If I might add, the fact that some folks actually believe Obama might say this shows the weakness of newthinking Jun 2012 #31
Can't find that on the intertubes. Did he tell you this at a University of Chicago barbeque? Kurovski Jun 2012 #15
You did not read the full post. And the fact you had to "look it up" shows what I am saying newthinking Jun 2012 #32
The post I read attributed a quote to Obama. I read the full post of your first version. Kurovski Jun 2012 #34
I did not change the quote. Look at the changes, newthinking Jun 2012 #36
Edit beforehand. people rely on certain things for clarity. Conclusions are jumped to for reasons. Kurovski Jun 2012 #39
Deleted - It posted twice newthinking Jun 2012 #40
I understand what you are saying newthinking Jun 2012 #41
As a monolith, we're doomed as doomed can be!!! Kurovski Jun 2012 #45
I read that quote wrong at first...I thought Obama said it cry baby Jun 2012 #16
Excuse me, but are you kidding me? mahina Jun 2012 #18
Once again nowhere in the OP is that quote attributed to Obama Bjorn Against Jun 2012 #24
Please read the post again. I never said that newthinking Jun 2012 #27
The original post was poorly written and ohheckyeah Jun 2012 #35
That was a direct copy from the post. If you would have read further down newthinking Jun 2012 #37
it's called Centrism ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #19
Yeah... Those Would Be The New (S)Age Geniouses... WillyT Jun 2012 #22
Sam is an unfocused idiot...at best. Kurovski Jun 2012 #23
yes, he is ibegurpard Jun 2012 #29
As are, unfortunately, a lot of that "mass" of people in the "Center" newthinking Jun 2012 #30
oh lorry, this thread is quite funny. n/t. okieinpain Jun 2012 #38
If we lose, I believe *this* post demonstrates why StarrMatthieu Jun 2012 #42
"I don't believe we will loose the Presidency" Martin Eden Jun 2012 #43
Fast & Loose - Motorhead Blaspherian Jun 2012 #47
I understood your post and agree with it Oilwellian Jun 2012 #44
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