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Jim Lane

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73. In your scenario, the man would be guilty whether or not he's the biological father

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:05 PM

Mar 2016

Suppose the woman's brother, who had a vasectomy some years ago, did all those things for her: "helped pay for it, advised getting it, drove the woman to the clinic, knew about it and didn't report it, etc." -- that's within the classic definition of an accessory before the fact (because we're in a Trumpworld where reproductive rights have been repealed or eviscerated, and the woman is committing a crime).

OTOH, if the biological father did none of those things, punishing him would be a huge and unjustified expansion of the criminal law. An analogy: Suppose a Trump supporter goes to a mosque to beat up Muslims. The Trump supporter lost his driver's license after yet another DUI conviction, so he takes a cab. Is the cab driver guilty of aiding and abetting? After all, he had something to do with the crime.

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