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105. There is no money in feeding people who can't afford it.

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:36 PM

Apr 2016

Like all agriculture in this country and most of the world over, GMOs will be used based on how effective they are in making money.

The promise of GMOs are nice and all, but things like golden rice and better papayas represent an insignificant portion of the market.

We need genetic diversity among the crops we cultivate, because the world is diverse and some things grow better than others due to regional differences. You can't just take a crop that grow well in iowa, insert a gene to do whatever, and then sell it to farmers in a completely different region of the world promising miracles. It will never live up to the hype. We cannot monocrop the world.

Until we use GMOs to tailor individual strains that are suited to their environment, and not patent them and give control of people's livelyhoods to the whims of corporations, who are legally required to not give a fuck about anything but money, there will not be widespread adoption of GMOs.

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These vitamin-fortified bananas might get you thinking differently about GMOs [View all] Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 OP

O cruel, needless misunderstanding! Trajan Mar 2016 #1

Not sure of the point of your post, also, and this is important, it has nothing to do with Monsanto. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #2

Because they're in cahoots with the lizard people and the illuminati to control the population Nailzberg Mar 2016 #5

They are literally brought up in every thread involving biotech, even when they had... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #7

Yeah, it bugs me immensily. And I'll just get called a Monsanto shill for saying it. Nailzberg Mar 2016 #12

Because fearful morons think that GMO=Round-Up Ready. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #9

Because you won't see any sort of labeling law that has anything remotely to do with pesticides Major Nikon Mar 2016 #23

There are 'organic' pesticides. To be certified as 'organic' So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #65

Believe it or not, synthetic pesticides are allowed under organic certification rules Major Nikon Mar 2016 #78

Interesting.... So Far From Heaven Apr 2016 #87

It's OK for 100,000 children die each year, so long as "Monsatan" doesn't benefit Major Nikon Mar 2016 #13

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ sense Mar 2016 #52

Ugh! I feel for you. It must suck when everyone else is wrong all the time. nt revbones Mar 2016 #3

They are precisely like anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, and those pro-lifers who... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #4

Except that anti-vaxxers are 7% of the population and GMO-labellers are 93% GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #6

Yeah, a state government passed a law based on bullshit. Archae Mar 2016 #10

80% Of Americans Support Mandatory Labels On Foods Containing DNA. DNA! HuckleB Mar 2016 #14

No conspiracy necessary, just general ignorance... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #16

You do realize the labeling bill failed in California and Washington, yes? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #18

The labeling law failed in California because the corrupted election officials in truedelphi Mar 2016 #28

Link? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #29

Do your own research. truedelphi Mar 2016 #56

I did and all I could find were batshit crazy sources Major Nikon Mar 2016 #57

Oh I am so sad for you. truedelphi Mar 2016 #84

So you can't back up one assertion and move on to 4 more? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #86

At the time this misconduct went down, reports came from more than a dozen different sources. truedelphi Apr 2016 #93

And yet you can't produce even one that's credible. Very telling that. Major Nikon Apr 2016 #94

GMO labeling initiatives also failed in Oregon and Colorado. HuckleB Mar 2016 #30

When asked what they want on food labels, only seven percent of people mentioned GMOs. HuckleB Mar 2016 #26

Feel the Bern - Bernie for GMO labeling! womanofthehills Apr 2016 #97

It's truly sad that pseudoscience infects even good people. HuckleB Apr 2016 #98

DEL MONTE goes full Monty !- Del Monte is going NO GMOs!!! womanofthehills Apr 2016 #99

Big Companies Are Going To Make Out In Places Like Vermont! HuckleB Apr 2016 #100

now you have done it SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #80

You're here, anyway. HuckleB Mar 2016 #81

I enjoy the clowns SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #85

Campbell Soup - Will label GMOs womanofthehills Apr 2016 #102

Let govenrment handle food wisechoice Mar 2016 #33

You're spam posting? HuckleB Mar 2016 #35

How would the labels punish Monsanto, and in addition, why should they be punished? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #40

Is HuckleB trying to force feed us again? Generic Other Mar 2016 #51

Monsanto is a seed company and agribusiness that is larger than GMOs, they even sell... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #55

HuckleB must be paid by Monsanto - who would be against organic food? womanofthehills Apr 2016 #113

Organic is a marketing label. It is no better for anyone. HuckleB Apr 2016 #116

You badmouth organic wisechoice Apr 2016 #160

Are you seriously suggesting that Monsanto owns the entire GMO industry? Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #161

and there are many oil companies wisechoice Apr 2016 #168

How is Monsanto the "most evil"? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #186

The organic industry is built on creating baseless fear of other food. HuckleB Apr 2016 #162

organic farming is about doing wisechoice Apr 2016 #165

That's the marketing shtick. It's not reality. HuckleB Apr 2016 #173

so poor indian farmer wisechoice Apr 2016 #182

So you have nothing but fictions to offer. HuckleB Apr 2016 #187

Nonsense wisechoice Apr 2016 #190

You're promoting that long-debunked anti-GMO lie? HuckleB Apr 2016 #192

for people who thinks gmo is the only science wisechoice Apr 2016 #170

Youtube is not science. And no one said GMO is the only way. HuckleB Apr 2016 #174

and you can demonize organic farming? wisechoice Apr 2016 #183

Its correcting errors, a lot of people make claims about organic farming that are outright false... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #185

I point out the lies organic marketers tell. HuckleB Apr 2016 #188

And people point out dangers of gmo wisechoice Apr 2016 #191

You speak for farmers? HuckleB Apr 2016 #193

And you speak for Monsonto? wisechoice Apr 2016 #194

Way to dig that hole. Monsanto is not science and consensus. HuckleB Apr 2016 #197

"Organic" isn't science either. It's not even organic Major Nikon Apr 2016 #184

Says who? We need a lab and a microscope to call it science? wisechoice Apr 2016 #195

The USDA calls it marketing Major Nikon Apr 2016 #196

Here we go wisechoice Apr 2016 #205

No, there you go Major Nikon Apr 2016 #212

None of what you just said is true, absolutely nothing.... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #117

Pesticides - conventional vs organic from Consumer Reports womanofthehills Apr 2016 #121

I find it distressing that Consumer Reports seems to have relied on organic lobbyists and marketing. Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #128

CR went full bore with the anti-GMO silliness, indeed. HuckleB Apr 2016 #131

I find it distressing that you rely on Monsanto lobbyists womanofthehills Apr 2016 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author HuckleB Apr 2016 #156

The fact that you use a term like "frankenfoods" demonstrates to me that you don't know... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #164

They will punish them because companies like DelMonte who are going GMO free womanofthehills Apr 2016 #149

Monsanto sells conventional and organic seeds, too. HuckleB Apr 2016 #157

Maybe Turmeric will save the day - grows in tropics, lots of carotene Blues Heron Mar 2016 #8

Uhm, that article doesn't mention anything related to beta-carotene or Vitamin A... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #19

turmeric is loaded with carotene Blues Heron Mar 2016 #20

Actually, from what I read, its a trace amount at best... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #25

Tumeric research ongoing as a cancer treatment womanofthehills Apr 2016 #104

Campbells is labelling their GMO products voluntarily marions ghost Mar 2016 #11

You keep telling yourself that. HuckleB Mar 2016 #15

Excellent article marions ghost Mar 2016 #22

It's better if you read it, and comprehend it. HuckleB Mar 2016 #24

I read it and comprehend it marions ghost Mar 2016 #31

Ah, so more fictions are all you can offer. HuckleB Mar 2016 #38

So you would like children to die of vitamin deficiency? Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #17

--- marions ghost Mar 2016 #21

OK, how about an honest assessment, do you think genetically engineering... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #27

No I don't think Uganda should eat food I wouldn't eat marions ghost Mar 2016 #32

How would you fortify the food without genetic engineering? Also, I'm not a paid shill... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #36

No need to be so rabid about this then marions ghost Mar 2016 #41

Generally fortification involves either physically or chemically fortifying a processed food... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #44

I believe that the American people are guinea pigs marions ghost Mar 2016 #47

But GMOs are safety tested, so I'm not sure what the issue is. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #49

Please provide links to these tests nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #61

Oh please, if they did safety tests on humans you would be complaining about that... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #76

The World Health Organization disagrees with you womanofthehills Apr 2016 #124

Are you still harping on about that, its already been debunked. And this has nothing to do with GMOs Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #134

She has pushed that multiple times on this thread in the past few minutes, in fact. HuckleB Apr 2016 #143

She's Gish Galloping this thread with bullshit that has NOTHING to do with this fucking banana crop. Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #145

It is amazing. HuckleB Apr 2016 #146

Wow! Eating too many GMOs - can't control your anger! womanofthehills Apr 2016 #202

Glyphosate throughout the plant womanofthehills Apr 2016 #200

GMO's are not safety tested womanofthehills Apr 2016 #126

Well that's just a straight up lie you just told, what cancer from GMOs? Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #136

Baseless fear mongering is now leading to detrimental decision making. HuckleB Mar 2016 #37

Propaganda marions ghost Mar 2016 #42

Baseless propaganda is all the anti-GMO fear mongerers have to offer, indeed. HuckleB Mar 2016 #43

So what do you think of the World Health Organization saying GMO's possibly cause cancer? womanofthehills Apr 2016 #125

The WHO says no such thing. HuckleB Apr 2016 #130

Even Frankenfoodbabe knows this is not true. HuckleB Apr 2016 #219

Growing carrots in Uganda Blues Heron Mar 2016 #34

That seems very small scale, is there a way to scale it up? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #39

The real problem is poverty itself Blues Heron Mar 2016 #45

Well, bananas are a staple crop, part of the reason they were selected... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #46

I'd go with the carrots - if possible Blues Heron Mar 2016 #48

It is largely a question of scale, and also whether the vegetable with get the market penetration... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #50

Do the people in third world nations even want the modified products? Generic Other Mar 2016 #53

That happened because of the misinformation campaign against GMOs spearheaded by Greenpeace... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #54

Link to above on Gates Foundation womanofthehills Apr 2016 #208

Agreed - they have many different varieties of bananas in Africa womanofthehills Apr 2016 #207

Some in Africa want the banana but many DO NOT want the banana! womanofthehills Apr 2016 #203

Might not be a good idea - banana not tested on humans yet womanofthehills Apr 2016 #204

I will not eat anything GMO womanofthehills Apr 2016 #122

thx for the list marions ghost Apr 2016 #123

In NM, I can only find organic corn womanofthehills Apr 2016 #129

I will be looking to do that marions ghost Apr 2016 #138

Consider the possibility So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #58

So I should consider the possibility that science denial is the same as science acceptance Major Nikon Mar 2016 #59

Of course not. So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #62

Global warming denial is about denying real science in favor of pseudoscience Major Nikon Mar 2016 #79

I think that is what I said using other terms. So Far From Heaven Apr 2016 #88

I think the reasons are multi-faceted Major Nikon Apr 2016 #89

Consider evolution versus creationism. So Far From Heaven Apr 2016 #91

By the way.... So Far From Heaven Apr 2016 #92

There is no GMO wheat. HuckleB Mar 2016 #64

I beg your pardon? Try again, and apologize after you get educated. So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #66

Apologize for informing you of reality? HuckleB Mar 2016 #67

I repeat, Monsanto has produced and field tested GMO wheat in at least 400 trials. So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #69

It has researched it, yes. (And you didn't repeat anything.) HuckleB Mar 2016 #70

No need. So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #72

So you went from 400 trials to the small plot in Oregon. HuckleB Mar 2016 #73

Sounds like you are acknowledging the fact that GM wheat hasn't made it out of the testing stage Major Nikon Mar 2016 #82

Monsanto paranoid about their wheat seeds polluting the world of wheat womanofthehills Apr 2016 #106

So you're going to repeat what was already discussed here? HuckleB Apr 2016 #107

You repeat yourself post after post womanofthehills Apr 2016 #132

No, I just address misinformation with reality. HuckleB Apr 2016 #133

Give me a break womanofthehills Apr 2016 #139

Half the world doesn't do lots of things. HuckleB Apr 2016 #141

Try Monsanto MON71800 for starters. So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #68

Try something that is in research, and has never been close to market? HuckleB Mar 2016 #71

What is it with you? So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #74

What is it with you? HuckleB Mar 2016 #75

You love to belittle people when you make an argument womanofthehills Apr 2016 #135

No, I'm not. HuckleB Apr 2016 #137

Shouldn't that be MON72826? jmowreader Apr 2016 #209

This isn't like introducing Kudzu to a pristine environment, this is one man made/bred... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #77

As long as we have proper oversight and this isn't for corporate profiteering pediatricmedic Mar 2016 #60

As opposed to organic marketing... HuckleB Mar 2016 #63

I'll eat them PasadenaTrudy Mar 2016 #83

A GMO that'll make you healthier. Deadshot Apr 2016 #90

It's more like GMOs that will save millions of children from death and blindness... Major Nikon Apr 2016 #95

Ayup. Deadshot Apr 2016 #167

They don't even really create them directly Major Nikon Apr 2016 #171

WHO says it could cause cancer womanofthehills Apr 2016 #140

Why are you repeating something you have been shown is false? HuckleB Apr 2016 #142

World Health Organization Won�t Back Down From Study Linking Monsanto to Cancer womanofthehills Apr 2016 #148

Why are you doubling down on this untruth? HuckleB Apr 2016 #150

Uhm, she's a Food Babe fan, truth matters little to them. n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #159

True. I forgot about that. Ugh. HuckleB Apr 2016 #163

Food Babe looks healthier than the one you quote all the time - Cristie Wilcox who eats her gmos womanofthehills Apr 2016 #198

Aww. You think appearance makes one understand science. HuckleB Apr 2016 #199

I'd rather eat what Food Babe is eating womanofthehills Apr 2016 #215

Your confessions of pride in ignorance are appreciated. HuckleB Apr 2016 #217

�There is just no acceptable level of any chemical to ingest, ever� Major Nikon Apr 2016 #175

I bet your not as healthy as Food Babe womanofthehills Apr 2016 #216

At least that makes up for her being dummer than a bag of hammers Major Nikon Apr 2016 #220

Interesting paper from the EFSA detailing how the IARC focused on bullshit instead of science Major Nikon Apr 2016 #178

Good piece! Thanks for sharing! HuckleB Apr 2016 #179

Here's another interesting nugget of info you won't hear from the anti-science crowd Major Nikon Apr 2016 #180

Ah, I had not seen that. HuckleB Apr 2016 #189

. Deadshot Apr 2016 #169

You should ask yourself the same question Major Nikon Apr 2016 #181

Detection of Glyphosate Residues in Animals and Humans - Environmental Toxicology womanofthehills Apr 2016 #211

Why does it not surprise me a food babe fan would not be able to recognize junk science? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #213

Why should I believe you? Deadshot Apr 2016 #166

I don't get bullshit. The WHO did not say GMOs could cause cancer. Major Nikon Apr 2016 #172

That's cool. Except the only reason people are dying from starvation now is political killbotfactory Apr 2016 #96

Umm. HuckleB Apr 2016 #103

There is no money in feeding people who can't afford it. killbotfactory Apr 2016 #105

In other words, you're ignoring a lot of information to maintain your POV. HuckleB Apr 2016 #108

GMOs have the potential to do great things, yes. killbotfactory Apr 2016 #110

Your argument is strawman nonsense Major Nikon Apr 2016 #114

You seem to have failed to understand the article, its taking a local staple crop and modifying it.. Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #118

The Need for Improved Food Production HuckleB Apr 2016 #101

Because of the Vermont Law, HockeyMom Apr 2016 #109

What is that difference exactly? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #115

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #119

Yea Vermont! womanofthehills Apr 2016 #147

They've done the same thing with golden rice alarimer Apr 2016 #111

It's astounding to see opposition to such work. HuckleB Apr 2016 #112

I saw arguments on this board against both golden rice and this banana that sums up to... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #120

What if they don't want your golden rice? womanofthehills Apr 2016 #152

Because of the immoral misinformation campaign? Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #153

OH PLEASE a REGULAR banana is loaded with nutrients. Potassium being just one bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #127

First off, its the cooking banana, a slightly different cultivar to the one we eat... Humanist_Activist Apr 2016 #144

Do you mean a plantain? womanofthehills Apr 2016 #154

Cooking bananas - Plantains - have 1400 IU of vitamin A womanofthehills Apr 2016 #155

Probably because you failed to read the OP Major Nikon Apr 2016 #176

Well, you know, reading is hard work. HuckleB Apr 2016 #177

Do your research womanofthehills Apr 2016 #201

Gotta love it when someone tells you to "do your research" that obviously didn't do their own Major Nikon Apr 2016 #218

In Uganda people have about 10 different types of staple bananas womanofthehills Apr 2016 #214

Then why is vitamin A deficiency a problem in the poorer regions? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #221

GMO tech developing healthier limes and blood oranges, also with a sweet color? HuckleB Apr 2016 #158

Students can get $900 to test eat one of these bananas at Iowa State Univ womanofthehills Apr 2016 #206

So we can genitically modify genes to produce helthier organs but not better food? Jitter65 Apr 2016 #210