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happyslug

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111. That is still the first step to kill Social Security.

Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:12 PM

Apr 2016

Means testing is the test for welfare. If you mean test Social Security you also start on the short road to make Social Security nothing but welfare. Welfare has no support among the middle class for they see it as money going to people who do not want to work. FDR and the politicans of his time period and today know that if you mean test Social Security it losses most of the support it needs from the middle class. Without that support Social Security becomes another welfare program that the middle class will refuse to pay taxes for.

Thus ANY means test will lead to merging Social Security into welfare, workout any increase in welfare funding and Social Security taxes being eliminated.

This is like the old story on the nose of the Camel in the tent. Next it is the whole Camel inside the tent.

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John Kasich to seniors who want to keep their Social Security: “get over it” [View all] WhiteTara Apr 2016 OP

I guess he didn't pay attention to Paul Ryan tanking Mittens with those kind of remarks. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #1

This is still who our "enemy" is WhiteTara Apr 2016 #2

Get over it - its Hillary's plan too FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #4

Yes. Bernie is the only one, as I know of, who doesn't want to mess with SS. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #13

Yep. Everyone else is just dangerous to the little guy. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #20

I wish he would say it more often and more emphatically. I think this alone will win it for him. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #21

It would certainly help with older voters! GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #26

Isn't that the largest voting bloc? I could be wrong. I think it surpasses all other demographics. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #28

No. Because older people die off at a faster SheilaT Apr 2016 #50

For this election cycle? Older voters are the largest demographic. This election. How many voters Hiraeth Apr 2016 #54

I haven't a clue how many older voters will die off between now and election day, SheilaT Apr 2016 #57

People who will be eligible to draw SS within the next 4-8 years (presidential cycle) should pay Hiraeth Apr 2016 #68

Kinda hard to say that without stipulating how you're breaking down age groups ... brett_jv Apr 2016 #60

People who will be eligible to draw SS within the next 4-8 years (presidential cycle) should pay Hiraeth Apr 2016 #69

Many voters in their 30s and 40s klook Apr 2016 #115

Including Hillary Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #33

Really, really, why that S S S Socialist. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #101

and who won't compromise on a woman's right to choose cui bono Apr 2016 #65

Not true. Glamrock Apr 2016 #92

I stand corrected. Expand = mess. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #102

OH, he wants to mess with it alright! He wants to INCREASE IT!!! Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #123

Shame on him!! (see reply #102 above)) Hiraeth Apr 2016 #124

If Hillary's fans really want to win, ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #14

Does it Give 'You People' LeFleur1 Apr 2016 #19

? Hiraeth Apr 2016 #22

Hillary is going to cut it Politicalboi Apr 2016 #76

Could you provide a link indicating Clinton plans to cut Social Security? Hoyt Apr 2016 #30

+1 2naSalit Apr 2016 #34

Google this NJCher Apr 2016 #44

She has stated sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #48

I think it is foolish for any politician to say they would never do something. She's made it clear Hoyt Apr 2016 #49

Sanders showed Alan the error of his ways. sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #53

100% Politicalboi Apr 2016 #77

The only real way to save Social Security is to bring currently outsourced jobs back to the U.S. AdHocSolver Apr 2016 #81

Raise the cap on earnings subject to Social Security taxes usaf-vet Apr 2016 #84

Unless you say benefits are frozen, increasing the cap is only a partial solution. And Hoyt Apr 2016 #90

The days of a Nationalistic economy are over. We better learn to Hoyt Apr 2016 #89

The global economy is as real as the tooth fairy. AdHocSolver Apr 2016 #98

Yeah, let's trade amog ourselves working for, and buying from, small businesses. See how we Hoyt Apr 2016 #113

Having numerous small to medium size businesses rather than one huge mega-corporation... AdHocSolver Apr 2016 #114

Need to ask Hillary how she is going to "Fund" her Social Security Plan FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #63

It was the Pete Petersen dogwhistle in the first debate that tipped me off eridani Apr 2016 #78

Some of us have calibrated bullshit detectors. Chef Eric Apr 2016 #126

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #46

link please WhiteTara Apr 2016 #52

How do we get over it? Wages are too low. Healthcare is insufficient. Starvation and suicide? Do NCjack Apr 2016 #61

I rate this pants on fire, FreakinDJ. Hortensis Apr 2016 #83

Did you see the post about Bill and Gingrich? noiretextatique Apr 2016 #109

Kaisich's campaign manager's husband Hortensis Apr 2016 #121

Kasich is a religious nut noiretextatique Apr 2016 #138

Yes, BUT he is also telling people he is moderate. Hortensis Apr 2016 #140

I always thought Kasich was the most dangerous Kalidurga Apr 2016 #71

You are so right. He's banal evil. nt WhiteTara Apr 2016 #72

Yes he is... Punkingal Apr 2016 #91

OP is wrong - Kasich to cut SS for high income seniors only True Earthling Apr 2016 #94

Kasich is a right wing scumbag rockfordfile Apr 2016 #108

OP is totally misleading... Kasich's plan is to cut SS benefits for HIGH INCOME seniors only True Earthling Apr 2016 #93

And that was treated as a threat to Social Security by FDR. happyslug Apr 2016 #103

Under Kasich's plan high income seniors would receive less SS.. it would not go to zero True Earthling Apr 2016 #106

That is still the first step to kill Social Security. happyslug Apr 2016 #111

SS benefits are already means tested..higher wages subject to SS tax are replaced at a lower rate True Earthling Apr 2016 #134

Actually the rate was set by FDR happyslug Apr 2016 #137

Tell that to my husband's friend who children just lost their SSI. Democrats are just as liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #119

Send him this malaise Apr 2016 #8

Wow. DamnYankeeInHouston Apr 2016 #59

There's is only one candidate for president who will not cut SS tk2kewl Apr 2016 #3

And who might that be? He asks... ghostsinthemachine Apr 2016 #25

It's Bernie! Let's send him another donation now. If he is not elected, many of us will be living NCjack Apr 2016 #55

Will senior citizens' taxes go up to pay for "free college"? Koinos Apr 2016 #79

Not as much as failing to educate these kids. /nt NCjack Apr 2016 #80

You didn't answer my question. Koinos Apr 2016 #82

I don't have numbers. Yes, all (including senior citizens) will pay taxes NCjack Apr 2016 #86

Thank you. Koinos Apr 2016 #96

Actually two, Trump has said he supports Social Security. happyslug Apr 2016 #105

And about 8% of Democrats crossed over zalinda Apr 2016 #5

Compared to the rest, he almost sounds sane WhiteTara Apr 2016 #6

K&R jpak Apr 2016 #7

Another Repube blurting out the reality of the true Repube agenda AxionExcel Apr 2016 #9

Capt. John Kasich, US Tea Party, is especially mean to weak defenseless. If he gets power over you, NCjack Apr 2016 #56

Kasich's plan is to cut SS only on HIGH INCOME seniors True Earthling Apr 2016 #95

See my comment below, that will be the kiss of death of Social Security. happyslug Apr 2016 #107

Just Another Disastrous Means Tested Approach LarryNM Apr 2016 #117

"their Social Security" Trying to steal something someone has already worked for.n/t jtuck004 Apr 2016 #10

Instead of telling seniors to "get over it" we could raise the income cap. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2016 #11

Kasich, sane in comparison to the BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #12

If seniors can get over it, Kasich should be able to get over having his pension taken away, right? Gene Debs Apr 2016 #15

+1,000 n/t LarryNM Apr 2016 #118

fortunately there's one candidate who stands up for Social Security MisterP Apr 2016 #16

Kasic has been at war with poor people maindawg Apr 2016 #17

Yup. 2naSalit Apr 2016 #36

Don't forget—Obama said zentrum Apr 2016 #18

yes, they present the calmer exterior hopemountain Apr 2016 #32

Wow,,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2016 #23

Yes, and now 2naSalit Apr 2016 #37

Funny you should subvert zentrum Apr 2016 #66

Meaning less stats. Cryptoad Apr 2016 #85

Time to print houston16revival Apr 2016 #24

Trump is not as dangerous than Kasich. Bottom line. n/t djean111 Apr 2016 #27

Yes and No FlaGranny Apr 2016 #129

That's why Hillary scares the bejesesus out of ME. djean111 Apr 2016 #130

Agree. n/t FlaGranny Apr 2016 #144

Sanders would tear his ass up in a GE. notadmblnd Apr 2016 #29

And Kasich is the man the repug sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #31

I'm a Lefty, but I thought this quote seemed familiar. The piece is from Oct. 2015. Kasich = idiot vkkv Apr 2016 #35

I thought we needed a reminder WhiteTara Apr 2016 #40

Didn't he try making Ohio another right to work for less state? B Calm Apr 2016 #38

Yes! WhiteTara Apr 2016 #39

That's not moderate in my book, more teabaggery! B Calm Apr 2016 #42

Indeed WhiteTara Apr 2016 #43

Bernie Sanders vs Hillary Clinton "Expand Social Security" RATM435 Apr 2016 #41

here is her platform WhiteTara Apr 2016 #45

She is against raising the cap on the wealthy and the ARA give her good ratings. B Calm Apr 2016 #87

Every penny they can steal. Don't they have enough? It is a sickness. glinda Apr 2016 #47

Get over it? liberal N proud Apr 2016 #51

Them's fightin' words! Fritz Walter Apr 2016 #58

I thought he was the only reasonable one libodem Apr 2016 #62

All three are just as bad as the other. Dawson Leery Apr 2016 #64

A leftover from the Reagan Screw-olution wolfie001 Apr 2016 #67

Typical GOP idiot seanjoycek476 Apr 2016 #70

Get over it, grandma. Fancy Feast is too good for a burger anyway. Try store brand cat food. Vinca Apr 2016 #73

I don't trust Hillary Clinton with my Social Security either. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #74

If the choice is her or Kascih WhiteTara Apr 2016 #75

Kasich is just as bad as the other clowns, but without the overt insanity nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #88

I like Kasich's plan True Earthling Apr 2016 #97

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #99

He gets life time retirement funds from us the taxpayers WhiteTara Apr 2016 #100

Kick!!! red dog 1 Apr 2016 #104

Kashits is a smooth talking snake oil salesman bearssoapbox Apr 2016 #110

Fuck him! smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #122

Arrogant Oligarch Scumbag cer7711 Apr 2016 #112

People who want to keep their Social Security to Ka-sick: lastlib Apr 2016 #116

the SCOUS has ruled no one is entitled to SS. littlewolf Apr 2016 #120

And any State can drop out of Social Security. happyslug Apr 2016 #128

I did not know that … good gravy …. eom littlewolf Apr 2016 #135

That is amazing and you're right, probably no one has heard WhiteTara Apr 2016 #131

we learned about it in civics class .. littlewolf Apr 2016 #136

That's a huge "except," though, and in fact Hortensis Apr 2016 #141

agreed littlewolf Apr 2016 #142

True. What is unfortunate is that we can change Hortensis Apr 2016 #143

the dont give a shit who they hurt. allan01 Apr 2016 #125

No wonder he's ahead. Wait. yardwork Apr 2016 #127

Put a fork in him RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #132

Well, it's been a pretty quiet piece of news WhiteTara Apr 2016 #133

there are only two candidates who plan to protect social security restorefreedom Apr 2016 #139