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In reply to the discussion: John Kasich to seniors who want to keep their Social Security: “get over it” [View all]littlewolf
(3,813 posts)120. the SCOUS has ruled no one is entitled to SS.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/newswire/supreme-court-has-ruled-nobody-has-an-earned-right-to-social-security-benefits/
Most Americans have probably never heard of the 1960 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Flemming v. Nestor. It is one of several important facts about Social Security that are unknown to the public. The essence of the ruling is that nobody has an earned right to Social Security benefits, no matter how much money they have paid into the program.
The court upheld the denial of benefits to Nestor even though he had contributed to the program for 19 years and was receiving benefits. In its ruling, the Court established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not a contractual right. This Court ruling was specific and without conditions. It made it legal for the government to deny benefits to people, no matter how much money they had contributed to the program.
The government has a moral obligation to repay the Social Security money, but it does not have a legal obligation to repay any of the $2.8 trillion that it owes to the trust fund. If the government chooses to cut Social Security benefits, or even to terminate the entire program, the American people have no legal recourse. Section 1104 of the Social Security Act specifically states, The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress. This means that the future of Social Security is totally in the hands of Congress and the President. If the President and Congress should choose to cut benefits, or eliminate the whole Social Security program, they could do so, and there is nothing the public could do about it, except to vote to remove the politicians from office at the next election.
Most Americans have probably never heard of the 1960 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Flemming v. Nestor. It is one of several important facts about Social Security that are unknown to the public. The essence of the ruling is that nobody has an earned right to Social Security benefits, no matter how much money they have paid into the program.
The court upheld the denial of benefits to Nestor even though he had contributed to the program for 19 years and was receiving benefits. In its ruling, the Court established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not a contractual right. This Court ruling was specific and without conditions. It made it legal for the government to deny benefits to people, no matter how much money they had contributed to the program.
The government has a moral obligation to repay the Social Security money, but it does not have a legal obligation to repay any of the $2.8 trillion that it owes to the trust fund. If the government chooses to cut Social Security benefits, or even to terminate the entire program, the American people have no legal recourse. Section 1104 of the Social Security Act specifically states, The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress. This means that the future of Social Security is totally in the hands of Congress and the President. If the President and Congress should choose to cut benefits, or eliminate the whole Social Security program, they could do so, and there is nothing the public could do about it, except to vote to remove the politicians from office at the next election.
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John Kasich to seniors who want to keep their Social Security: “get over it” [View all]
WhiteTara
Apr 2016
OP
I guess he didn't pay attention to Paul Ryan tanking Mittens with those kind of remarks.
Kalidurga
Apr 2016
#1
I wish he would say it more often and more emphatically. I think this alone will win it for him.
Hiraeth
Apr 2016
#21
Isn't that the largest voting bloc? I could be wrong. I think it surpasses all other demographics.
Hiraeth
Apr 2016
#28
For this election cycle? Older voters are the largest demographic. This election. How many voters
Hiraeth
Apr 2016
#54
I haven't a clue how many older voters will die off between now and election day,
SheilaT
Apr 2016
#57
People who will be eligible to draw SS within the next 4-8 years (presidential cycle) should pay
Hiraeth
Apr 2016
#68
Kinda hard to say that without stipulating how you're breaking down age groups ...
brett_jv
Apr 2016
#60
People who will be eligible to draw SS within the next 4-8 years (presidential cycle) should pay
Hiraeth
Apr 2016
#69
I think it is foolish for any politician to say they would never do something. She's made it clear
Hoyt
Apr 2016
#49
The only real way to save Social Security is to bring currently outsourced jobs back to the U.S.
AdHocSolver
Apr 2016
#81
Unless you say benefits are frozen, increasing the cap is only a partial solution. And
Hoyt
Apr 2016
#90
Yeah, let's trade amog ourselves working for, and buying from, small businesses. See how we
Hoyt
Apr 2016
#113
Having numerous small to medium size businesses rather than one huge mega-corporation...
AdHocSolver
Apr 2016
#114
How do we get over it? Wages are too low. Healthcare is insufficient. Starvation and suicide? Do
NCjack
Apr 2016
#61
OP is totally misleading... Kasich's plan is to cut SS benefits for HIGH INCOME seniors only
True Earthling
Apr 2016
#93
Under Kasich's plan high income seniors would receive less SS.. it would not go to zero
True Earthling
Apr 2016
#106
SS benefits are already means tested..higher wages subject to SS tax are replaced at a lower rate
True Earthling
Apr 2016
#134
Tell that to my husband's friend who children just lost their SSI. Democrats are just as
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2016
#119
It's Bernie! Let's send him another donation now. If he is not elected, many of us will be living
NCjack
Apr 2016
#55
Capt. John Kasich, US Tea Party, is especially mean to weak defenseless. If he gets power over you,
NCjack
Apr 2016
#56
"their Social Security" Trying to steal something someone has already worked for.n/t
jtuck004
Apr 2016
#10
Instead of telling seniors to "get over it" we could raise the income cap.
Shoulders of Giants
Apr 2016
#11
If seniors can get over it, Kasich should be able to get over having his pension taken away, right?
Gene Debs
Apr 2016
#15
I'm a Lefty, but I thought this quote seemed familiar. The piece is from Oct. 2015. Kasich = idiot
vkkv
Apr 2016
#35
She is against raising the cap on the wealthy and the ARA give her good ratings.
B Calm
Apr 2016
#87
Get over it, grandma. Fancy Feast is too good for a burger anyway. Try store brand cat food.
Vinca
Apr 2016
#73
Kasich is just as bad as the other clowns, but without the overt insanity nt
LiberalElite
Apr 2016
#88