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In reply to the discussion: Sorry... a $15 minimum wage is too high [View all]eniwetok
(1,629 posts)202. spreading the wealth is fine
But not all areas of the nation, nor can every business, afford $15 for even the most unskilled worker. Really, Joe's Garage in the backwaters of West Virginia is going to hire a kid and pay them $31k a year to sweep the floor and clean toilets? What wealth does Joe have to spread? You can't apply a wage in a metro area to rural areas.
Yes, of course we need a reasonable national minimum wage just as we expect business to pay OT after 40, and have safe working conditions etc. It's a reasonable expectation given that We The People provide business with plenty of freebies. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027733743
And if a business can't meet these reasonable expectations, perhaps there is something wrong with their business model and they should close or work all the hours themselves.
My point is it's so easy for some here to sit on their high horses and pontificate that OF COURSE everyone, even unskilled teens, should get $15... which means those with skills will get more. Someone here even suggested pay be based on a MW plus their dependencies. Wow... right out of LaLa Land. So $15 plus maybe $5 more an hour per kid... and some business is going to pay $52k a year to a worker because they have two kids when the same work could be done by a single person for $31k?
There are two parties involved here not just one. And we've done much to create an economy that's addicted to a depreciating MW over the past 35 years especially. It's like how back in the 70's the economy was addicted to cheap oil and the OPEC oil embargo hammered us. We need to restructure the economy along numerous lines to make it reasonable again for workers. We need to reverse the sabotaging of our industrial sector with free trade, we need to get that MW back up at least to 1968 levels and from then on have guaranteed COLA increases. Just going back to 1968 MW alone would mean $7300 more a year. We need to prevent companies from fleeing the nation by changing tax laws. We can impose a higher burden on business with a protectionist economy than one where business has all these escape hatches.
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You are aware that this is the "Democratic" Underground site and not a Republican site right?
revbones
Apr 2016
#1
32 progressive Senators and President Obama and his council of Economic Advisers
pnwmom
Apr 2016
#166
You are aware that there are only two mainstream parties, but far more than two political viewpoints
Shoulders of Giants
Apr 2016
#206
MW was not a livable wage in 1968 thats why we need $15 which is a "Livable Wage"
awake
Apr 2016
#88
The town where I lived in the 1968 time period was (all one way figures) 15 miles to a
shraby
Apr 2016
#109
The overuse and misuse of labels has left many of them effectively meaningless.
cheapdate
Apr 2016
#79
Health care costs weren't sky high either. Could actually afford medical treatment.
SammyWinstonJack
Apr 2016
#122
Should be $30 for everybody, plus guaranteed jobs for anybody that wants one.
bemildred
Apr 2016
#10
When automation starts eating into white collar jobs, this proposal will gain more traction. nt
killbotfactory
Apr 2016
#19
Large companies like wal mart and McDonald's need to be required to pay a $15 min wage
Flyingbird5066
Apr 2016
#18
Citing "enormous disruptions" that are undocumented and totally lacking in the historical record
Kip Humphrey
Apr 2016
#24
Ahh Bullcheese. It worked just fine in the 60s, and would be higher today if inflation indexed.
L. Coyote
Apr 2016
#29
You also need a computer and some form of mobile phone to get a minimum wage job.
haele
Apr 2016
#65
No, local minimums are a non-starter just like 6 months ago when I believe it was you...
Chan790
Apr 2016
#127
Agreed, especially in gigantic corporations where the CEO is pulling down millions for sitting
underahedgerow
Apr 2016
#74
Oh look it is another libertarian agreeing with the pathetic attempt at sounding smart.
Rex
Apr 2016
#46
While yet others make unsupported and hyped-up allegations to better maintain the pretense
LanternWaste
Apr 2016
#71
I guess you're not a fan of Obama..... he has proposed a $10.10 minimum wage,
Nye Bevan
Apr 2016
#69
$15 is Probably the Right Minimum Wage for New York and Other High-Cost Cities
On the Road
Apr 2016
#55
Funny all the outrage here about a post that agrees with President Obama on this issue.
Nye Bevan
Apr 2016
#56
numbers can be manipulated in many fashions...here is the history with (2014 real dollars value):
islandmkl
Apr 2016
#76
Have you thought about starting a, The Minimum Wage Is Too Dam High party?
Capt. Obvious
Apr 2016
#83
Your concern for Corporate CEO's and the top 1%'s money has been duly noted.
tenderfoot
Apr 2016
#103
what complete bullshit. Those who cannot pay for rent or food or medicine know better.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2016
#112
Since 1968, the US per capita GDP, allowing for inflation, has risen by 125%
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2016
#114
I think your on the wrong website. This is the one for the LIBERAL party. nt
LostOne4Ever
Apr 2016
#120
Why don't you want people to make enough money to live on without subsidies?
Kalidurga
Apr 2016
#129
I will direct you away from the thought of dollars out of your pocket to one glaring fact
Warpy
Apr 2016
#152
Actually, NY State govt just reached a deal for a "two-tiered" raise in the MW
LiberalElite
Apr 2016
#156
De facto minimum wage in oil patch north dakota is $15 per hour. Best economy ever.
Land Shark
Apr 2016
#176
The support and agreement the poster has gained in 4 days are a real telltale too!
lunasun
Apr 2016
#234
Check this out... local restaurant, metro Detroit, has been paying a $15 min wage for 2.5 years...
GreenEyedLefty
Apr 2016
#192
Minimum wage, controlled for cost of living and corporate stratification should be $20/hour...
MrMickeysMom
Apr 2016
#196