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HoustonDave

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237. seriously?

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:11 PM

Apr 2016

so you are advocating cutting benefits to those making minimum wage? Sure sounds it. Who loses in that case?

I find it hard to believe that in the long run, the rest of us won't have to indirectly subsidize this - businesses will be forced to raise their prices to pay the $15/hr workers. The extra $7 an hour doesn't just come from nowhere. If a business is running a few percent gross margin (I work for a huge corporation whose gross is 3.99%) and they have a lot of employees, you may rest assured they will not altruistically donate the difference. Someone pays.

Based on my last few fast-food experiences, $30,000 annually for what they do is a freakin' joke. It fit the old joke better: "Minimum wage means you deserve, and we would pay you, even less if we could... but it's illegal."

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Sorry... a $15 minimum wage is too high [View all] eniwetok Apr 2016 OP

You are aware that this is the "Democratic" Underground site and not a Republican site right? revbones Apr 2016 #1

On fiscal/economic matters, distinguishing between the two ain't easy. merrily Apr 2016 #5

Unfortunately..... daleanime Apr 2016 #77

How does advocating for a return to the highest MW.... eniwetok Apr 2016 #14

"free lunch" does not mean what you think it means Major Nikon Apr 2016 #25

who's advocating predatory employment??? eniwetok Apr 2016 #80

I'm pretty sure you are Major Nikon Apr 2016 #95

if you can't make a point without gross distortions... eniwetok Apr 2016 #115

"Gross distortions" You mean like your strawman nonsense? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #121

I suspect I'm far to the left of you eniwetok Apr 2016 #136

You aren't fooling anyone Major Nikon Apr 2016 #147

sorry eniwetok Apr 2016 #173

You tend to lose a lot of ground arguing that you don't have GOP sympathys... Lancero Apr 2016 #174

there are plenty of "free lunch" ideologies... eniwetok Apr 2016 #177

You? by posting this and your replies to comments on the post imo lunasun Apr 2016 #227

Who, specifically? LanternWaste Apr 2016 #31

those who wave a magic wand eniwetok Apr 2016 #42

So... little more than an un-named, unknown, unspecified group of people. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #85

the burden of proof isn't on me eniwetok Apr 2016 #91

Take your "free lunch" commentary to Free Republic where it belongs. Maedhros Apr 2016 #63

+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #119

drive by eniwetok Apr 2016 #135

Wow! Fox talking points on DU yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #226

Really? Fox Is Advocating for a the HIGHEST the MW has ever been? eniwetok Apr 2016 #238

President Obama advocates a $10.10 minimum wage. Is he not a Democrat? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #54

here I am advocating for $11 and I'm called a GOPer eniwetok Apr 2016 #97

Is he not a Democrat? AlbertCat Apr 2016 #228

Reading his Journal, I'm thinking this one may be skirting MIRT Kittycat Apr 2016 #104

This isn't Bernie Underground, much as you want it to be. pnwmom Apr 2016 #154

I'm a Bernie person... but I don't have to accept every one of his ideas eniwetok Apr 2016 #159

You might already be familiar with this link, but just in case: pnwmom Apr 2016 #160

No but they typically don't make posts justifying revbones Apr 2016 #165

32 progressive Senators and President Obama and his council of Economic Advisers pnwmom Apr 2016 #166

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't see 12 mentioned in the OP. revbones Apr 2016 #167

I have no problem going higher eniwetok Apr 2016 #175

wouldn't cause employers to shed jobs. AlbertCat Apr 2016 #229

Wow. Arguing for a lower minimum wage revbones Apr 2016 #207

You are aware that there are only two mainstream parties, but far more than two political viewpoints Shoulders of Giants Apr 2016 #206

group think eniwetok Apr 2016 #209

Thanks Hillary HERVEPA Apr 2016 #2

This should be good... jonno99 Apr 2016 #3

I accept your apology. Iggo Apr 2016 #4

gee whiz...really? desmiller Apr 2016 #6

Robots greymattermom Apr 2016 #7

They are coming regardless of wage increases. ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #151

I have news for you Wallmart hires not just in large cities awake Apr 2016 #8

then why not $20? eniwetok Apr 2016 #61

MW was not a livable wage in 1968 thats why we need $15 which is a "Livable Wage" awake Apr 2016 #88

living wage for whom? eniwetok Apr 2016 #98

"rural backwater" ? showing a bit of an attitude arn't we there awake Apr 2016 #99

So what was FDR's Minumum Wage? eniwetok Apr 2016 #210

oh you're a righty rockfordfile Apr 2016 #137

best ya got? eniwetok Apr 2016 #163

seriously? HoustonDave Apr 2016 #237

apology not accepted because you a dead wrong. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #9

dead wrong about what? eniwetok Apr 2016 #17

But you pass Old Codger Apr 2016 #20

We don't all need gas hfojvt Apr 2016 #33

My MY My Old Codger Apr 2016 #52

no, actually I am not special hfojvt Apr 2016 #58

The town where I lived in the 1968 time period was (all one way figures) 15 miles to a shraby Apr 2016 #109

How about the Old Codger Apr 2016 #123

They are confused and thought Google would be enough to convince a few here. Rex Apr 2016 #51

The overuse and misuse of labels has left many of them effectively meaningless. cheapdate Apr 2016 #79

They don't even Old Codger Apr 2016 #125

masochistic libertarians ...its a thing with them... it = freedom to serve lunasun Apr 2016 #232

Health care costs weren't sky high either. Could actually afford medical treatment. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #122

This... tkmorris Apr 2016 #34

ball's not in my court eniwetok Apr 2016 #72

you're really going to compare 1968 to 2016? Skittles Apr 2016 #105

oh my! yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #230

HAR, OMG yuiyoshida Skittles Apr 2016 #241

Should be $30 for everybody, plus guaranteed jobs for anybody that wants one. bemildred Apr 2016 #10

And unicorns! EL34x4 Apr 2016 #13

I'll take $40, with a pony unicorn. Glassunion Apr 2016 #15

Indeed, why not? Why be cheap? It's not like we don't have the money. bemildred Apr 2016 #16

Why not $3.15? LanternWaste Apr 2016 #32

Unicorns! ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #181

When automation starts eating into white collar jobs, this proposal will gain more traction. nt killbotfactory Apr 2016 #19

Yes. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #21

Except you made the argument that we can't tkmorris Apr 2016 #107

That wasn't me. bemildred Apr 2016 #124

I make $25/hr and I'm basically rich Reter Apr 2016 #169

Good, I like it. Plenty of money for everybody. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #180

You do realize that whatever the MW is, ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #182

Yep. It's always smart to start negotiations with a compromise. nt killbotfactory Apr 2016 #11

April Fool!!!! Depaysement Apr 2016 #12

Large companies like wal mart and McDonald's need to be required to pay a $15 min wage Flyingbird5066 Apr 2016 #18

The no skill labor provided... TipTok Apr 2016 #45

or fire a few employees Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #57

This proposal doesn't work. Chan790 Apr 2016 #126

Ronald Reagan couldn't have put it any better. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2016 #22

don't be silly eniwetok Apr 2016 #67

how about a minimum guaranteed income? ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #23

this is something we need to look into eniwetok Apr 2016 #75

Citing "enormous disruptions" that are undocumented and totally lacking in the historical record Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #24

I don't believe you are the first to point that out truebluegreen Apr 2016 #70

Sorry... the $15 MW is without a historical record eniwetok Apr 2016 #101

Minimum Wage in Australia is US$21/hr Odin2005 Apr 2016 #145

I was speaking of the MW in the US. eniwetok Apr 2016 #161

australian mimimum wage is $17.29 or $13.14 US eniwetok Apr 2016 #164

This message was self-deleted by its author gsb54 Apr 2016 #26

Pretty much the same here, 1960s-70s Doremus Apr 2016 #221

Yes, college tuition as well gsb54 Apr 2016 #224

Oh please DO go on... JackInGreen Apr 2016 #27

Most MW workers don't work 40 hours a week. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #28

Ahh Bullcheese. It worked just fine in the 60s, and would be higher today if inflation indexed. L. Coyote Apr 2016 #29

That $10.95 IS indexed to inflation... eniwetok Apr 2016 #118

1) you are not sorry 2) you have no idea what you are talking about. Javaman Apr 2016 #30

You are referencing productivity across the board 1939 Apr 2016 #94

first, are you defending the idea that there shouldn't be a living wage? nt Javaman Apr 2016 #106

We aren't discussing living wage. 1939 Apr 2016 #150

Interesting subthread. PETRUS Apr 2016 #185

Sure, compare 1939 Apr 2016 #188

I gather you don't understand the implications of my division of labor remark. PETRUS Apr 2016 #199

That doesn't make any sense atoll. Aristus Apr 2016 #35

First of all, it is not $15 NOW zalinda Apr 2016 #36

You also need a computer and some form of mobile phone to get a minimum wage job. haele Apr 2016 #65

Your last paragraph nails it 1939 Apr 2016 #189

the minimum wage should be a living wage.... mike_c Apr 2016 #37

that's NOT a national mimimum wage though hfojvt Apr 2016 #48

that's why I said the "minimum wage" should reflect the real cost of living... mike_c Apr 2016 #108

No, local minimums are a non-starter just like 6 months ago when I believe it was you... Chan790 Apr 2016 #127

yup... the magic wand approach!! eniwetok Apr 2016 #134

Actually... Chan790 Apr 2016 #138

so wages should be linked to... eniwetok Apr 2016 #184

Are you aware it's phased in? SHRED Apr 2016 #38

of course I'm aware eniwetok Apr 2016 #89

Any business that says that a $15 minimum wage is too high. Their business Glassunion Apr 2016 #39

Agreed, especially in gigantic corporations where the CEO is pulling down millions for sitting underahedgerow Apr 2016 #74

We have watched companies dump as Skink Apr 2016 #40

In 1968, rogerashton Apr 2016 #41

sorry, heresy does not fly here hfojvt Apr 2016 #43

Oh look it is another libertarian agreeing with the pathetic attempt at sounding smart. Rex Apr 2016 #46

I know you are hfojvt Apr 2016 #53

You don't make the case any better than the OP does tkmorris Apr 2016 #64

Here's my response philosslayer Apr 2016 #96

While yet others make unsupported and hyped-up allegations to better maintain the pretense LanternWaste Apr 2016 #71

Can't really add any more, the posters here already tore you a new one. Rex Apr 2016 #44

I guess you're not a fan of Obama..... he has proposed a $10.10 minimum wage, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #69

that you infer merely two possibilities is on you, not anyone else. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #73

Obama is wrong... Chan790 Apr 2016 #128

really? libertatians are FOR a the highest MW we ever had? eniwetok Apr 2016 #187

Too bad the Republicans control the House and the Senate. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #47

Even at $10.95 per hr Walmart employees will still need our assistance. B Calm Apr 2016 #49

April Fools? sakabatou Apr 2016 #50

$15 is Probably the Right Minimum Wage for New York and Other High-Cost Cities On the Road Apr 2016 #55

For reasons of economics...it has to be the same everywhere. Chan790 Apr 2016 #130

I Would Say the Opposite On the Road Apr 2016 #139

It doesn't matter. Chan790 Apr 2016 #157

Funny all the outrage here about a post that agrees with President Obama on this issue. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #56

$10.10 is a bullshit low number and Obama should be embarrassed by it. Chan790 Apr 2016 #131

Needed to be indexed with inflation a long time ago MattP Apr 2016 #59

The median wage where I live is a bit over $13/hr Adrahil Apr 2016 #60

"locally indexed minimum" not an acceptable proposal. Chan790 Apr 2016 #132

NO. That's not even close to logical. Adrahil Apr 2016 #141

Look at what? Chan790 Apr 2016 #158

For reason, the link did not paste. Adrahil Apr 2016 #162

The person in NYC is not going to be worse off than they are now. Chan790 Apr 2016 #168

Okay, i think that's nuts. Good day. NT Adrahil Apr 2016 #183

What the heck is it to you? How much do you make an hour? Sunlei Apr 2016 #62

I completely agree taught_me_patience Apr 2016 #66

with talk like that.... eniwetok Apr 2016 #195

New York State Has Much Rural Territory corbettkroehler Apr 2016 #68

not quite true eniwetok Apr 2016 #100

numbers can be manipulated in many fashions...here is the history with (2014 real dollars value): islandmkl Apr 2016 #76

Maybe, just maybe, expectations for high profits for everything Trajan Apr 2016 #78

restaurant owners probably couldnt pay it Mary Mac Apr 2016 #81

There would certainly be an automation boom, especially in fast food. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #87

$15 per hour as minimum wage might be good as.... Herman4747 Apr 2016 #82

Have you thought about starting a, The Minimum Wage Is Too Dam High party? Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #83

+1 B Calm Apr 2016 #92

Sounds about right. cheapdate Apr 2016 #84

This is to be phased in by 2022 WhiteTara Apr 2016 #86

Actually that number is placed nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #90

ugh. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #93

How much do you make? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #102

Your concern for Corporate CEO's and the top 1%'s money has been duly noted. tenderfoot Apr 2016 #103

Agreed Visionary Apr 2016 #110

apology accepted elehhhhna Apr 2016 #111

what complete bullshit. Those who cannot pay for rent or food or medicine know better. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #112

Most labor economists disagree. n/t Gormy Cuss Apr 2016 #113

Since 1968, the US per capita GDP, allowing for inflation, has risen by 125% muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #114

Anyone who thinks this should take a voluntary pay cut to $10.95 an hour. nichomachus Apr 2016 #116

Bravo! +1000 Melurkyoulongtime Apr 2016 #240

I know what you mean; and it drives me crazy too Populist_Prole Apr 2016 #243

WTF are you babbling about? eniwetok Apr 2016 #242

That "kid" you speak of Melurkyoulongtime Apr 2016 #244

wow Solly Mack Apr 2016 #117

I think your on the wrong website. This is the one for the LIBERAL party. nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #120

Why don't you want people to make enough money to live on without subsidies? Kalidurga Apr 2016 #129

+1000! n/t Chan790 Apr 2016 #133

I know right? peabody Apr 2016 #143

He must like paying higher taxes. B Calm Apr 2016 #149

Well as long as those taxes are going to the hard working Walmart family... Kalidurga Apr 2016 #153

Come down here to Austin and see of you can live on less. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #140

Disruption can be a good thing in an unequal, unjust system. Zorra Apr 2016 #142

Right-wing horseshit. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #144

LOL, 89 posts. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. nt Logical Apr 2016 #146

Welcome Ewoks CreekDog Apr 2016 #148

I will direct you away from the thought of dollars out of your pocket to one glaring fact Warpy Apr 2016 #152

back it up eniwetok Apr 2016 #214

Sure Warpy Apr 2016 #219

sorry, your sites do NOT prove what you claimed eniwetok Apr 2016 #225

I would say, in some places a $15 minimum wage is too high, i.e., ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #155

Actually, NY State govt just reached a deal for a "two-tiered" raise in the MW LiberalElite Apr 2016 #156

wrong website dana_b Apr 2016 #170

Anytime the military receives a raise in the form of karadax Apr 2016 #171

Absolutely zero evidence to back that up. tenderfoot Apr 2016 #172

De facto minimum wage in oil patch north dakota is $15 per hour. Best economy ever. Land Shark Apr 2016 #176

Any raise in MW that large will be phased in n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #178

You sound like a Republican..and it ain't so. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #179

The OP favors a higher minimum wage than President Obama (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #197

You been a member here for 4 days huh? Thread trashed, total ignore. TeamPooka Apr 2016 #186

another content-free drive by eniwetok Apr 2016 #193

The support and agreement the poster has gained in 4 days are a real telltale too! lunasun Apr 2016 #234

so I'm to post what some others want to hear? eniwetok Apr 2016 #239

This message was self-deleted by its author GreenEyedLefty Apr 2016 #190

I love how people who make an actual living wage think those Pakhet Apr 2016 #191

Check this out... local restaurant, metro Detroit, has been paying a $15 min wage for 2.5 years... GreenEyedLefty Apr 2016 #192

another magic wand post eniwetok Apr 2016 #194

The point was that paying a high "minimum" wage GreenEyedLefty Apr 2016 #200

spreading the wealth is fine eniwetok Apr 2016 #202

Minimum wage, controlled for cost of living and corporate stratification should be $20/hour... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #196

....... polly7 Apr 2016 #198

lol SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #201

wow... eniwetok Apr 2016 #203

why rebut rw shit SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #208

translation eniwetok Apr 2016 #211

you are being silly SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #223

I reject your argument. noamnety Apr 2016 #204

reject what argument? eniwetok Apr 2016 #213

good lord. welcome to ignore. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #205

I welcome your ignore eniwetok Apr 2016 #215

Lemme guess, you make WELL over $15/hr TheDormouse Apr 2016 #212

and I would not expect... eniwetok Apr 2016 #217

if u can't afford to pay workers decently u shouldnt be in business TheDormouse Apr 2016 #218

sure, and I've made this argument in other forums eniwetok Apr 2016 #231

this argument is as weak as opposing OSHA or FDA or EPA laws TheDormouse Apr 2016 #220

no, it IS a right eniwetok Apr 2016 #233

$15 plus transportation allowance here.When you make assumptions about who is posting and disagrees lunasun Apr 2016 #235

"that $1.60 of 1968 would be worth $10.95 *today*" KamaAina Apr 2016 #216

CA is starting at $10 eniwetok Apr 2016 #222

Did everyone note the date that this was posted? mac56 Apr 2016 #236