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eniwetok

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Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:40 PM Apr 2016

Did Congress REALLY Vote For The Iraq War? [View all]

This is not a thread to get Hillary off the hook for stupidly trusting Bush... but whether Bush violated the AUMF. Like most of my threads here they were originally posted in the Thom Hartmann forum.

If you ignore all the endless litany of "whereas" after "whereas", and skip to the end of the 2002 Authorization To Use Military Force, it seems Congress approved a conditional AUMF, not a blank check. Here's the final section

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the ``Authorization for Use of
Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002''.

[[Page 116 STAT. 1501]]

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.

The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the
President to--
(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security
Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq
and encourages him in those efforts; and
(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security
Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay,
evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies
with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.



There were no existing UN resolutions authorizing force. The US tried to get a new one. In its original
drafts the US sought permission to attack on its own and it was REJECTED. The US only got the UNSC to
demand WMD inspectors be allowed back into Iraq or there were would be dire consequences. The UNSC never
actually authorized force.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.


With no UNSC resolutions authorizing force, for Bush to invade he had
had to claim there WAS a "continuing threat" from Iraq.

(b) Presidential Determination.--In connection with the exercise of
the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President
shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible,
but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make
available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the
President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and


Here Bush simply lied. The UN had acted. Inspectors were back in Iraq... and they were finding evidence that Saddam's WMDs had been destroyed back in 1991. But Bush had a timetable... the optimum time to invade would be in the early spring so the work of the Inspectors had to be sabotaged.

(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.


The Iraq/911 connection was always untrue.

Congress was foolish for trusting Bush who since the spring was public about setting up a rationale to invade Iraq. Congress allowed Bush to roll right over them with a carefully crafted strategy just before the election. Bush claimed he was interested in the viability
of the UN... and resolutions had to be enforced. He claimed he was not interested in a war, it was a last resort. In reality he was stalling for time... until weather conditions were optimum. He never cared what Congress or the UN wanted. He was going to invade either way and played the public, Congress, and the UN like a fiddle... and We The People have let him get away with war crimes.

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Yes, Mrs. Clinton voted for it. bigwillq Apr 2016 #1
"Mrs. Clinton"? Skittles Apr 2016 #4
I just called Bernie "Mr. Sanders" bigwillq Apr 2016 #7
it is NOT the same Skittles Apr 2016 #19
Yes, it is. bigwillq Apr 2016 #20
MR and MS are the same Skittles Apr 2016 #23
So, I should call her Ms. Clinton? bigwillq Apr 2016 #24
if you're inclined to do so then yes Skittles Apr 2016 #25
Ok. Thanks. bigwillq Apr 2016 #26
it is NOT a sign of respect Skittles Apr 2016 #34
Mrs. Clinton bigwillq Apr 2016 #35
over and out Skittles Apr 2016 #36
She's married Reter Apr 2016 #32
she does not prefer to be called MRS. CLINTON Skittles Apr 2016 #33
What the heck is wrong with Mr. and Mrs. ? 30Draw Apr 2016 #42
She was not alone. BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #6
I hold Mr. Kerry responsible. bigwillq Apr 2016 #8
Thanks for the congrats! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #13
If Clinton had learned from Iraq Qutzupalotl Apr 2016 #27
I think that is the main thing with a lot of us. If when she became SOS she had gone in LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #29
Libya was an entirely BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #31
I'll fill in the blank karynnj Apr 2016 #12
Please also remember that Hillary BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #14
He does not get a pass karynnj Apr 2016 #16
OK, so you don't give him a BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #17
They were both running for President. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #37
I don't believe that either Kerry BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #38
they voted to give a sociopathic nitwit the authority he needed to proceed Skittles Apr 2016 #2
Hillary was an idiot to trust Bush would not lie eniwetok Apr 2016 #3
she was complicit Skittles Apr 2016 #5
not to give them an excuse but at the time it was "you're either with us or against us" mantra Demonaut Apr 2016 #9
I understand that Skittles Apr 2016 #10
true...and no one held to account..yet. We need term limits for the senate and congress Demonaut Apr 2016 #11
If you were a junior Senator BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #15
YES I WOULD Skittles Apr 2016 #18
Good for you! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #21
LOL Skittles Apr 2016 #22
Yes, they did and they all knew it. HassleCat Apr 2016 #28
The "conditional" was a smokescreen... JHB Apr 2016 #30
Bush made one convincing argument... but of course it was a lie eniwetok Apr 2016 #41
No one voted to declare war. rug Apr 2016 #39
that's the key difference... eniwetok Apr 2016 #40
The bottom line Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #43
Bush started the war right when the evidence of WMD destruction was uncovered. eniwetok Apr 2016 #44
Exactly Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #45
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