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eniwetok

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175. Can't have it both ways

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:07 PM

Apr 2016

So should the burger flippers in NYC get the same as the burger flipper in my town? Or are you saying those who live in small towns with cheap standards of living should pay NYC prices for everything to cover that higher wage?

Can't have it both ways.

And same with the living wage. What's a living wage in NYC is way higher than where I live... or in small rural towns in depressed areas.

So whose "living wage" prevails? To apply to low one to the high cost area is unfair to them. To apply the high cost area to a low cost area is gravy for the worker and unfair to the employer... unless the employee is super productive or competition drives wages higher.

There are OTHER forces that can drive up wages besides mandating a one-size formula for the entire nation. We can go back to the highest MW we ever had which today would be $11 and index it to inflation... and we can end free trade, and give more legal protections to unions for a start. Those last two would draw wages up instead of just trying to mandate them to be $4 higher than the MW ever was.

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Let's pay 16 year olds $31.2k to sweep floors!!!! [View all] eniwetok Apr 2016 OP

Because of GOP obstruction and our unwillingness to fix our trade situation, the person sweeping Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #1

The MW doesn't discriminate eniwetok Apr 2016 #24

Even in rural areas, $15 isn't living high on the hog. Food is usually higher, no mass transit syste Hestia Apr 2016 #306

joe can wash the floor clean the toilet pick up trash all by himself saturnsring Apr 2016 #2

40 hrs a week? - why isn't that 16 year old in school lame54 Apr 2016 #206

even better saturnsring Apr 2016 #227

So when that janitor is a single mom working nights as a second job to feed her kids what then? nt revbones Apr 2016 #3

OK... raise it to $25 eniwetok Apr 2016 #12

Are you related to the President of the San Diego Chamber? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #69

By extrapolating your argument, why not lower it to 25�? LanternWaste Apr 2016 #75

makes no sense eniwetok Apr 2016 #131

Here's the problem, The single mom TexasProgresive Apr 2016 #144

The KKK General store may have bigger problems. n/t cigsandcoffee Apr 2016 #4

Ha! I thought the same thing! Adrahil Apr 2016 #132

Well, I should have known that KKKarl Rove has a General Corruption Store. madinmaryland Apr 2016 #195

You sound like a republican! I was making as a secretary in 1988 $15 an hour damnit bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #5

a secular amen to that! nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #134

Ditto! corbettkroehler Apr 2016 #180

yep! An adult who needs to pay the bills and maybe has a kid or two dana_b Apr 2016 #267

Didn't We Do This Already? ProfessorGAC Apr 2016 #6

Weren't you banging the drum about this yesterday? mac56 Apr 2016 #7

Yep...this appears to be his raison d'etre for being on DU. JimDandy Apr 2016 #109

Very telling that Major Nikon Apr 2016 #196

And pimping Nader, defending the SCOTUS and.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2016 #274

Among other 'bait' topics. n/t X_Digger Apr 2016 #223

Hooo boy. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #8

We pay asshole bankers billions, why not pay kids well too? nt bemildred Apr 2016 #9

Yes, that's normally a very successful argument when asking your boss for a raise (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #96

We are not asking. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #98

gee.... because not every business is a bank? n/t eniwetok Apr 2016 #165

Sounds good to me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2016 #10

Yep. Even fascist ant-Semite Henry Ford knew paying his workers enough to afford his cars was... Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #44

Actually that was just spin. He raised wages to stop 370% turnover at a terrible job whatthehey Apr 2016 #89

good question eniwetok Apr 2016 #111

I can quibble with the emphasis but not the facts whatthehey Apr 2016 #128

Ford's raise = $592 a week today eniwetok Apr 2016 #138

Good point about the $5 to $6 raise scscholar Apr 2016 #115

If the 16 year old is working 2080 hours a year TexasProgresive Apr 2016 #11

I certainly agree.... but... Adrahil Apr 2016 #135

Lets do the math krawhitham Apr 2016 #250

The whole and entire point is that there are vastly different costs of living across the US pipoman Apr 2016 #269

No, not as much as you think krawhitham Apr 2016 #293

No, cost of living isn't the same everywhere. pipoman Apr 2016 #295

Here's the issue I havee with that. Adrahil Apr 2016 #278

Ohio is a low cost area krawhitham Apr 2016 #294

But Ohio isn't homogeneous. Adrahil Apr 2016 #304

Great idea eniwetok, kids need money!!! winstars Apr 2016 #13

Or maybe they can start saving for college, given how horribly costs have risen. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2016 #32

The costs of textbooks are fucking obscene too. azmom Apr 2016 #112

A-men DustyJoe Apr 2016 #123

I was shocked that my most recent textbook costs Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2016 #280

how is that the gas station owner's problem? eniwetok Apr 2016 #120

No, I was just pointing out that there's no reason to discriminate among workers based on age. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2016 #281

BAM! trumad Apr 2016 #141

In 2012 when fast food workers determined a living wage, they settled on $15 as a national need. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #14

The Fight For 15 movement STARTED IN NYC eniwetok Apr 2016 #28

$15 living high on the hog? You must have some real issues with poor people. Might I suggest you Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #34

CHALLANGE: How many GOPers back a $11 or $15 MW? eniwetok Apr 2016 #48

Willfull ignorance is a poor defense. Were you a student of Bernie's plan to surmount the current Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #64

Gee... what disposition? eniwetok Apr 2016 #85

In 1968 dollars that is more like 20 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #81

There are a lot of partially correct assumptions in this thread. Igel Apr 2016 #88

The same two issues... Chan790 Apr 2016 #67

Maybe, just maybe the depressed areas of the nation wouldn't be depressed if people made shraby Apr 2016 #86

LOL. phylny Apr 2016 #215

I see people moving south all the time to save money Jim Beard Apr 2016 #256

Sure, if you want a decreased quality of living. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #261

it's BARELY a living wage in NY or SF dana_b Apr 2016 #268

Your numbers are bogus. The bogus one is the $25k number. FSogol Apr 2016 #15

If an owner can't afford to pay workers a fair rate.... eniwetok Apr 2016 #52

Show me one business anywhere that went under because the minimum wage raised. FSogol Apr 2016 #70

you do realize that the higher MW now is $10... right? eniwetok Apr 2016 #181

Another red herring. What is, The $15 will be phased in. I'll take GOP talking points for $500! FSogol Apr 2016 #218

Gee my high school freshman has a better grasp on economics than the OP HOPNOSH Apr 2016 #257

Basic economics and math. Chan790 Apr 2016 #80

"city or some dumpy rural village?" Person 2713 Apr 2016 #107

I see your point treestar Apr 2016 #199

That is such bs!! agnostic102 Apr 2016 #253

You dropped out of collage? HOPNOSH Apr 2016 #259

Yes i dropped out agnostic102 Apr 2016 #313

I couldn't agree more. There is a HUGE difference between a small business owner & a LG corp. AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #307

What business are you in? nt Glassunion Apr 2016 #310

Another anti-minimum wage piece that hinges on screeching about teenagers Scootaloo Apr 2016 #16

you made no argument eniwetok Apr 2016 #29

That's because I'm making an observation Scootaloo Apr 2016 #38

They need to make an "I Love Bernie Butt". HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #17

You love Bernie Butt? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #26

You're spot on, there muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #41

Nice one! HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #59

Somewhat agree Visionary Apr 2016 #18

Do you work these jobs? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #27

If it should be raised to inflationary terms $15 is a joke HOPNOSH Apr 2016 #262

I agree with you but I stopped at the headline. nt. My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #19

You never seem to advocate FOR anything tkmorris Apr 2016 #20

Yeah, that's kind of a Republican trait, isn't it? FSogol Apr 2016 #23

first of all, not ALL DUers agree... but here's some of my wish list eniwetok Apr 2016 #40

Not a terrible list tkmorris Apr 2016 #102

+ 1 The jury is no longer out... JimDandy Apr 2016 #116

thanks for that. eniwetok Apr 2016 #140

OP was for illustation purposes... eniwetok Apr 2016 #125

The "small" company that can hire someone to spend 40 a week on sweeping Taitertots Apr 2016 #21

Are those really full time, year round jobs? surrealAmerican Apr 2016 #22

Of course not, but the truth would have spoiled the headline Doctor_J Apr 2016 #201

That doesn't sound like a full-time, 40-hrs-a-week job to me. Demit Apr 2016 #25

What is wrong with you? This is your second OP on this topic. Need more drama? octoberlib Apr 2016 #30

Maybe he's trolling for pizza SwankyXomb Apr 2016 #47

Conservadem, that be my guess nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #72

Ze posts about it as a single-issue poster like it was hir job or something. Chan790 Apr 2016 #82

Let's get real. peace13 Apr 2016 #31

+1! n/t Chan790 Apr 2016 #84

Yes. Let's. Because that 16 year old will spend that money whatthehey Apr 2016 #33

exactly. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2016 #282

Funny thing about arguments against raising the minimum wage Orrex Apr 2016 #35

On that note . . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #54

Reprehensible indeed Orrex Apr 2016 #77

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Apr 2016 #57

Can I try to address this question seriously, in contrast to the snarky "you're a Republican" Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #36

And, this is where discussion of universal basic income comes in ... nt salinsky Apr 2016 #49

An interesting article about it... OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #137

Er . . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #62

You realize most of those mythical kids with brooms nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #79

How does that change any of my analysis in any way? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #83

First assumption that MW workers are teens nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #87

It never was that great of an analysis to begin with Major Nikon Apr 2016 #222

You think the guy who owns a fast-food restaurant cares about the economy's overall productivity? Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #224

It doesn't really matter if he cares about it or not Major Nikon Apr 2016 #231

He will indeed be paying the remaining employees more money. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #233

Nobody is going to replace workers with automation unless they are saving money Major Nikon Apr 2016 #236

The "losers" are the ones who don't have jobs anymore, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #238

Which is going to happen regardless of what the MW is Major Nikon Apr 2016 #240

The point is, the economics of automation become vastly more compelling Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #241

It's a pretty piss poor point then Major Nikon Apr 2016 #246

I thought it was obvious that cashiers earning $10 per hour Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #248

So it would be even more obvious for those making $30 per hour Major Nikon Apr 2016 #249

missing the point that $15 would ALSO APPLY TO THOSE TEENS eniwetok Apr 2016 #159

And you are goign against the spirit and letter of the 1938 law that established minimum wage nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #160

You are really yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #37

Fuck any job that can't pay a living wage. hunter Apr 2016 #39

.... salinsky Apr 2016 #50

Why doesn't a 16 yr old deserve the same minimum wage as an "adult?" justiceischeap Apr 2016 #42

You make a good point that more seniority should not necessarily result in higher pay. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #58

It's not even about merit pay justiceischeap Apr 2016 #60

I certainly agree that a bright teen may well be more valuable than a time-served 45-year old, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #66

As a 45 yr old that faces possible age discrimination in my field justiceischeap Apr 2016 #156

If that 16 year old wants to go to college, CrispyQ Apr 2016 #43

I admire the lengths you conservatives go to insure the poor stay poor. tenderfoot Apr 2016 #45

ROTF eniwetok Apr 2016 #61

If college costs $40,000/year coyote Apr 2016 #46

What's a 16 year old doing working a 40 hour work week? Vinca Apr 2016 #51

And 50 weeks a year Doctor_J Apr 2016 #203

If a 16-year-old is working 40 hours a week, he/she may be supporting the family. HuckleB Apr 2016 #53

lol SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #55

16-year-olds seldom if ever work full time KamaAina Apr 2016 #56

Think about why you view East Coalcake, WV as a source of parody. KamaAina Apr 2016 #63

Since most custodial work is done nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #65

If you want that 16 year old to work over 2000 hours a year, then pay him or her a full time wage. stone space Apr 2016 #68

How many 16-year-olds work 40 hours per week? Oneironaut Apr 2016 #71

What then is the precise minimal wage you believe should be paid LanternWaste Apr 2016 #73

This seems reasonable: Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #76

So now you want to discriminate workers based on age? B Calm Apr 2016 #74

You raise a reasonable point. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #78

Was that supposed to make sense? eniwetok Apr 2016 #94

In your opening post you said 16 yr olds. B Calm Apr 2016 #97

You made age an issue Bradical79 Apr 2016 #114

If you need Uponthegears Apr 2016 #90

You don't really love Bernie. The Midway Rebel Apr 2016 #91

31k is not much money Egnever Apr 2016 #92

Well, you didn't pay any attention in your last sea-lion op. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #93

Do you know how back breaking sweeping, mopping and vacuuming is? notadmblnd Apr 2016 #95

having raised kids mercuryblues Apr 2016 #99

U have been here 5 days & add new anti labor posts every time I check this site Person 2713 Apr 2016 #100

if you can't make a point without gross distortions... eniwetok Apr 2016 #119

So, the businessman who can't stay in business without paying a living wage gratuitous Apr 2016 #121

Thank You!! PCPrincess Apr 2016 #191

+1 nt laundry_queen Apr 2016 #255

NO! If floors need sweeping, hire the out-of-work parents of the country sanatanadharma Apr 2016 #101

Yes, let's. Iggo Apr 2016 #103

I don't like Sanders at all, but I think a$15.00 an hour minimum wage tied to inflaton Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #104

Sounds good. It's not Chelsea-makes-a-speech wages... dchill Apr 2016 #105

Yes Bradical79 Apr 2016 #106

If the 16 year old is working 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year, ZombieHorde Apr 2016 #108

It is very rare. In my state, a 16 year old would have to be legally emancipated to do that.... steve2470 Apr 2016 #122

Rent, house pymts, car pymts, car ins. health ins, is just as high for them too! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #110

PS. This is like reading a republican blog! Wage issues for 30 years ViseGrip Apr 2016 #113

I take it you're a McDonald's franchisee. rug Apr 2016 #117

LOL ROFL Kalidurga Apr 2016 #118

Sure, if it's a full time requirement for me to do business. haele Apr 2016 #124

Do you think teens should be paid less than adults for the same job? magical thyme Apr 2016 #126

If you have 2000 hours worth of floor sweeping, you need to pay a living wage to get it done. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #127

Agreed - that's exactly why the OP's point is so ridiculous ky_dem Apr 2016 #133

16 year old kids have their hours limited in most states Warpy Apr 2016 #129

It's bullshit to have to wait 7 years for $15.00 Politicalboi Apr 2016 #130

Yeah, by then inflation will likely have chopped its purchasing power down so far Warpy Apr 2016 #158

Still concern trolling? Rex Apr 2016 #136

why is a 16 year sweeping floors 40 hours a week? La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #139

Because it fits the narrative this Op writer needs. trumad Apr 2016 #142

if a kid has dropped out of HS to sweep, he probably really needs a living wage though La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #147

Nice condescending attitude towards janitors Marrah_G Apr 2016 #143

Right you are, Marrah G! raging moderate Apr 2016 #150

I want to see one of these assholes pick produce for a day Marrah_G Apr 2016 #154

and I won't say what I think of yours eniwetok Apr 2016 #164

I am accusing you of doing exactly what you are doing Marrah_G Apr 2016 #166

Yes, because I have been one of them! Dear God, help me, it hurt so bad! raging moderate Apr 2016 #254

How else can they afford college/trade school? and a house down payment? and babies in their 20s? raging moderate Apr 2016 #145

How is this the employer's problem? eniwetok Apr 2016 #162

Easy. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2016 #283

Because, if something bad happens to you, you expect these people to care about you. raging moderate Apr 2016 #288

I honestly can't believe this is even an argument EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #146

Why, when President Obama has never advocated $15? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #157

I'm advocating for more than OBAMA eniwetok Apr 2016 #163

Who called you a "right winger"? EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #193

16 year olds don't work 40 hours per week GummyBearz Apr 2016 #148

Low-wage Workers Are Older Than You Think HuckleB Apr 2016 #149

The kids who work at Denny's etc. who clean the diarrhea from the toilets tabasco Apr 2016 #151

That's more than I make teenagebambam Apr 2016 #152

When you get a base wage to go up nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #161

Wages will rise with the minimum wage. Marrah_G Apr 2016 #167

Gonna be a problem in Mississippi Bonx Apr 2016 #178

It's clear that a lot of people here My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #153

I liked starting at 15, expecting to get ten or a little more. My idea brewens Apr 2016 #155

That's the argument I get into with my father (a restraint owner) Victor_c3 Apr 2016 #168

Looks like this thread is a continuation of your other anti-$15 thread. Kingofalldems Apr 2016 #169

Yeah, and the right wing talking points just keep getting repeated Major Nikon Apr 2016 #198

So you don't believe in equal pay Jbradshaw120 Apr 2016 #170

Can't have it both ways eniwetok Apr 2016 #175

I agree that a liVing wage Jbradshaw120 Apr 2016 #200

Since companies haven't shown the ability to be fair or to phylny Apr 2016 #219

You're going to get a broken back carrying that much water for the Heritage Foundation Major Nikon Apr 2016 #171

Put up or shut up... eniwetok Apr 2016 #174

I'm sure carrying water for Heritage is tiring work Major Nikon Apr 2016 #187

so YOU can't prove your false accusation... eniwetok Apr 2016 #205

So let's see if I have this straight, because this is getting funny as hell Major Nikon Apr 2016 #216

What are they gonna do? Spend the money on goods and services? killbotfactory Apr 2016 #172

I'm looking forward to tomorrow's repetitive thread but I have a doctor's appointment Solly Mack Apr 2016 #173

if people actually read entire threads... eniwetok Apr 2016 #176

People are reading them. They don't agree with you and instead of accepting that, you rather Solly Mack Apr 2016 #182

"I love Bernie... but I love republican talking points even more" arcane1 Apr 2016 #177

Think Living Wage, Not Minimum Wage corbettkroehler Apr 2016 #179

Here are the OECD MWs above US eniwetok Apr 2016 #184

Raising the minimum has never resulted in katsy Apr 2016 #183

Spare us all your meaningless reassurances. eniwetok Apr 2016 #186

Nothing is going to keep corporations katsy Apr 2016 #192

are you incapable of reading comprehension? eniwetok Apr 2016 #209

OK... THIS ISSUE IS OVER eniwetok Apr 2016 #210

You made this a flame thread, please don't pretend you had any other intentions. Rex Apr 2016 #211

And if it does cost a few jobs? Downtown Hound Apr 2016 #194

If that 16 year old needs full time employment, it's for a damn good reason. Glassunion Apr 2016 #185

That was one of the best responses I've read during my 12 years on DU Downtown Hound Apr 2016 #188

It hit close to home... Glassunion Apr 2016 #292

excellent post! nt steve2470 Apr 2016 #190

OK... should a 18 year old burger flipper make $31.2k? eniwetok Apr 2016 #207

Why not? Downtown Hound Apr 2016 #226

Burger flipper My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #279

Nobody's nitpicking, your choice of a 16 year old made it sound like you were defending the Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2016 #284

I'm not nitpicking shit. Go back to Post#185, and superimpose 18 on top of every instance of 16. Glassunion Apr 2016 #296

In addition, custodial work goes beyond sweeping and emptying. LakeVermilion Apr 2016 #276

$15 an hour won't even rent you an apartment where I live Downtown Hound Apr 2016 #189

But it will where I live Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #208

So, residents of certain areas of the country should be paid less than others for the same work? hatrack Apr 2016 #197

it already happens... and it ain't my fault eniwetok Apr 2016 #202

Stop Paying CEOs OkSustainAg Apr 2016 #204

What do you consider a fair wage for YOUR work? hobbit709 Apr 2016 #212

No man is an island...higher wages can help family members too. lostnfound Apr 2016 #213

$15 an hour was a lot of money 30 years ago, not any more. The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #214

I find it amazing that folks that have under 300 post here on DU Hotler Apr 2016 #217

People who support President Obama's position on the minimum wage are now "trolls"? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #225

Has Obama argued AGAINST raising the MW to $15? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #232

He supports $12 by 2020: Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #235

I didn't ask you what he supported. I asked you what he was against. Major Nikon Apr 2016 #237

Ah, so he might secretly be in favor of $15, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #239

Or he might be secretly against it Major Nikon Apr 2016 #242

Well.... arguing for $12 would be construed by many as arguing against $15. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #245

I don't think that many find basic logic that difficult Major Nikon Apr 2016 #247

Very few 16 year olds work 40 hours a week and you damn well know it. ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #220

This is what, the third or fourth thread you've started with a 'bait' premise? Paging MIRT. n/t X_Digger Apr 2016 #221

This person has been here a week nichomachus Apr 2016 #230

absolutely quaker bill Apr 2016 #228

Let's pay everybody $11 an hour nichomachus Apr 2016 #229

Let's look at WV Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #234

If we can pay CEO's $100 million a year... True Earthling Apr 2016 #243

Two wrongs don't make a right Albertoo Apr 2016 #252

But the second "wrong" is more right Populist_Prole Apr 2016 #271

It's a bit more complicated, isn't it? Albertoo Apr 2016 #318

If a 16-year-old is working full time gollygee Apr 2016 #244

16 year olds aren't permitted to work 40 hours a week bhikkhu Apr 2016 #251

They could if the dropped out of school TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #258

Honestly the best way to handle this is a universal basic income. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #260

The problem I see with raising the MW to $15 just means that the price of things will increase AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #263

Some, sure, but not 107% Recursion Apr 2016 #266

How do you determine that prices will go up but that it will only affect the middle class? AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #272

Because, again, labor is only a portion of business costs Recursion Apr 2016 #275

That's not true. It depends on the industry. Some industries have a much higher labor cost. AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #277

And in none of them is labor higher than 40% or so Recursion Apr 2016 #285

What the hell restaurant or food industry has labor costs of 40 to 60%?? Glassunion Apr 2016 #298

I looked at a bunch of sites. I think it was the department of labor. I am trying to find it. AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #299

I had not accounted for kitchen staff in the average retaurant. My bad. Glassunion Apr 2016 #308

The 40-60% is in the other article I listed. They got those # from dept. of labor. AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #311

I read both articles and neither one stated labor costs at 40 to 60% Glassunion Apr 2016 #312

Here, I copied and pasted from that article. AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #314

That is not the percentage of labor costs for the business. Glassunion Apr 2016 #315

But then, wouldn't that apply to ANYbody's increase in pay? Populist_Prole Apr 2016 #270

I don't think they give a rats ass about driving the economy. That's just AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #273

the price of things has been increasing anyway. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #287

Inflation is always occuring. The question is at what rate? AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #302

Can you kindly cite historical evidence of price hikes as result of pay raises? tenderfoot Apr 2016 #300

As I posted upstream, the article I found cited the department of labor & statistics. Nt AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #301

and???? tenderfoot Apr 2016 #303

I wasn't trying to prove the price hikes. I proved where I got my numbers. AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #305

the hallmark of a repuke Skittles Apr 2016 #264

If a 16 year old has to work 40 hours a week, yeah, he or she should make that much Recursion Apr 2016 #265

+1 JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #289

It's weird that this is even a question, you know? Recursion Apr 2016 #290

WHAT IS THE POINT OF HIRING CHILDREN, IF WE CANT PAY THEM LESS? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #320

Sounds fair to me rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #286

Do you do anything worth $15 an hour? Octafish Apr 2016 #291

Look at the handle eniwetok= Any We Took HOPNOSH Apr 2016 #316

Corporate internet trolls need to have their wages cut! Call Congress right fucking now! nt Zorra Apr 2016 #297

When you keep the minimum wage artificially low for so many years Buzz cook Apr 2016 #309

Hey, nice hat! Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #317

If a 16 yr old works 40 hrs a wk, 52 wks a year, yes, they should be paid that. uppityperson Apr 2016 #319