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19. "An eye for an eye makes the world blind." --Gandhi. nt

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If I can't have a pension and decent benefits why should they? [View all] cali Jun 2012 OP

I think that is basically true... kentuck Jun 2012 #1

because if you work for 30 or 40 years, you should have a pension. cali Jun 2012 #2

Then we need to fight for decent pensions for everyone, drm604 Jun 2012 #3

The question is should you decide to fund someone else's pension instead of your own 401k. dkf Jun 2012 #4

Unions are the backbone of the Democratic Party. drm604 Jun 2012 #5

Don't public worker benefits come out of your taxes? dkf Jun 2012 #7

baloney. how about raising the cap on SS? Now the numbers sure as hell work. cali Jun 2012 #16

Public worker benefits do come from taxes but the burden on an individual taxpayer is miniscule. Cestode Jun 2012 #17

Good point. Also, there are the private Wall Streeters like AIG who have loss underwritten by suffragette Jun 2012 #34

Thank you libtodeath Jun 2012 #11

It still comes down to higher taxes to pay union benefits means less money for my family badtoworse Jun 2012 #18

See Reply #17 above. drm604 Jun 2012 #35

What do you consider miniscule? badtoworse Jun 2012 #37

What is Wisconsin's defense budget? joeglow3 Jun 2012 #41

I think CA is a much bigger issue that WI WinniSkipper Jun 2012 #54

Pension issues in San Diego were not the fault of the union... haele Jun 2012 #63

I didn't say it was the fault of the union WinniSkipper Jun 2012 #64

I know you weren't, but all the push for that proposition was blaming the unions. haele Jun 2012 #70

lots of good info here.. frylock Jun 2012 #65

Public workers earned their benefits, including pensions, in lieu of higher salaries. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2012 #56

Higher prices on food, fuel, health care, etc., mean less money for my family KansDem Jun 2012 #58

I've had union benefits. I've had "employer provided benefits" haele Jun 2012 #62

i don't have kids. why should i pay for the tax breaks you receive for breeding? frylock Jun 2012 #66

It's not like they shrunk themselvees dkf - TBF Jun 2012 #9

No but they spend their money on politics instead of organizing. dkf Jun 2012 #20

politics=organizing TBF Jun 2012 #24

Not if they are fighting for self-preservation against Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #27

Yes they spend alot of money on politics standingtall Jun 2012 #43

Just great libtodeath Jun 2012 #12

Just trying to be reality based. dkf Jun 2012 #22

How about addressing the facts then libtodeath Jun 2012 #29

Ironically, that's the exact justification the GOP is using to blow up SS/MediCare Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #15

Well our job is to figure out how to make it work. dkf Jun 2012 #25

So by that logic, why not drop all pensions for government employees? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #26

Do you expect to get public services such as roads, high quality education, police, etc. for free? spooky3 Jun 2012 #33

+1 We the people are the government Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #38

this person will be sure to correct if i'm wrong, but i think you're arguing with a trust funder frylock Jun 2012 #69

So he/she buys private police, fire, emergency and other services, and never uses public roads? spooky3 Jun 2012 #71

It may be abstract, but it's not altruism or self sacrifice. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #36

Said it better than I could Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #44

perfectly stated, Jeff dana_b Jun 2012 #51

Funny thing is Dokkie Jun 2012 #55

Or, "If they have pensions, why can't I?" SharonAnn Jun 2012 #61

Because you can have a pension standingtall Jun 2012 #30

So you don't have to step over us marinating on the sidewalk on your way to work? Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #39

I was being facetious, Starry Messenger... kentuck Jun 2012 #67

Sorry, I was in a bad mood last night. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #72

That's what I thought too loyalsister Jun 2012 #6

We were offered a Pension or 403B HockeyMom Jun 2012 #8

the man giving the presentation got mad? dana_b Jun 2012 #52

Excellent post, nailed it. nt TBF Jun 2012 #10

Union Envy limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #13

wow - it's all right there in one cartoon dana_b Jun 2012 #53

I wrote the following a couple years ago and was lambasted. Maybe now you are ready to hear... magical thyme Jun 2012 #14

This battle in Wisconsin was not all about unions! AllyCat Jun 2012 #31

my misunderstanding, then. I thought Walker's public union busting triggered the recall effort magical thyme Jun 2012 #42

Its really about pitting private workers against public workers. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #49

"An eye for an eye makes the world blind." --Gandhi. nt raccoon Jun 2012 #19

Nail on the head..... a kennedy Jun 2012 #21

Texas has already been there for a good while. ananda Jun 2012 #23

That's what it always comes down to Prophet 451 Jun 2012 #28

Could be. lonestarnot Jun 2012 #32

You raise a good point suffragette Jun 2012 #40

IMO, thats it in a nutshell. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #45

"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, Viking12 Jun 2012 #46

The right-to-workers in Indiana who made your Subaru don't get a pension... Romulox Jun 2012 #47

The problem is that union members only make up sufrommich Jun 2012 #48

I can only tell you this Cali. Puglover Jun 2012 #50

Yes, it's all about the Republicans using ENVY to divide us flamingdem Jun 2012 #57

I think that's it. Also, ecstatic Jun 2012 #59

"They" get them because they negotiated for them and traded off higher salaries. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2012 #60

The corollary to that is... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #68