Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
37. Marx isn't the only (or the first) to bring these ideas to light.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

You may be interested in my post and the link therein:

Link to post in this thread:

Marx wasn't the first ...

Link to "Proudhon and Marx" via Anarchist Library

If you are interested in revolutionary ideas, I think (and hope) the links above will help you with a starting point. Also, I highly recommend reading both Marx and Proudhon (and other revolutionary thinkers). So many ideas and so insightful and ahead of their time. If you would like more sources and links, I'm happy to help.

Happy reading!

Edit to add: A true free-market can only exist within a socialist econom]y (yes, often considered to be polar opposites, yet this is the model that truly lets people live in a free-society). These ideas are often expressed in participatory economics and workers' democratic ideals such as cooperatives. One model, termed Mutualism was developed by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and advanced by Kevin Carson.

Market socialism is a type of economic system involving the public, cooperative, or social ownership of the means of production in the framework of a market economy. Market socialism differs from non-market socialism in that the market mechanism is utilized for the allocation of capital goods and the means of production.[1][2][3] Depending on the specific model of market socialism, profits generated by socially owned firms (i.e. net revenue not reinvested into expanding the firm) may variously be used to directly remunerate employees, accrue to society at large as the source of public finance, or be distributed amongst the population in a social dividend.[4]

Although economic proposals involving social ownership with factor markets have existed since the early 19th century, the term "market socialism" only emerged in the 1920s during the socialist calculation debate.[5] Contemporary market socialism emerged from the debate on socialist calculation during the early-to-mid 20th century among socialist economists who believed that a socialist economy could neither function on the basis of calculation in natural units nor through solving a system of simultaneous equations for economic coordination, and that capital markets would be required in a socialist economy.[6]

Early models of market socialism trace their roots to the work of Adam Smith and the theories of classical economics, which consisted of proposals for cooperative enterprises operating in a free-market economy. The aim of such proposals was to eliminate exploitation by allowing individuals to receive the full product of their labor while removing the market-distorting effects of concentrating ownership and wealth in the hands of a small class of private owners.[7] Among early advocates of market socialism were the Ricardian socialist economists and mutualist philosophers. In the early 20th century, Oskar Lange and Abba Lerner outlined a neoclassical model of socialism which included a role for a central planning board (CPB) in setting prices equal marginal cost to achieve Pareto efficiency. Even though these early models did not rely on genuine markets, they were labeled "market socialist" for their utilization of financial prices and calculation. In more recent models proposed by American neoclassical economists, public ownership of the means of production is achieved through public ownership of equity and social control of investment.

Market socialism is distinguished from the concept of the mixed economy, because unlike the mixed economy, models of market socialism are complete and self-regulating systems.[8] Market socialism is also contrasted with social democratic policies implemented within capitalist market economies: while social democracy aims to achieve greater economic stability and equality through policy measures such as taxes, subsidies and social welfare programs; market socialism aims to achieve similar goals through changing patterns of enterprise ownership and management.[9]


Wikipedia: Free-market socialism

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Yes. We should be concerned. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #1
actually we seem to get more hfojvt Apr 2016 #16
Thanks Bill Clinton for signing the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Scuba Apr 2016 #2
And Ronald Raygun for elimating the Fairness Doctrine in '87 FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #10
The FCC could have revived the Fairness Doctrine---until the Obama Administration put the nail in merrily Apr 2016 #51
Democracy Now, TYT, Pacifica radio. Nt ReasonableToo Apr 2016 #3
Most people don't see it. rusty quoin Apr 2016 #9
freespeech tv. The only real news on cable or dish rurallib Apr 2016 #29
Unfortunately Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #52
This is what they said capitalism wasn't about Hydra Apr 2016 #4
At the risk of exposing myself as an old fart, beastie boy Apr 2016 #7
Oh, I know- I haven't read Marx Hydra Apr 2016 #11
Marx isn't the only (or the first) to bring these ideas to light. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #37
Many thanks for this post dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #43
Thank you! Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #45
Yup. Monopoly capitalism just like Marx predicted. nt Laffy Kat Apr 2016 #12
Embrace "Big Brother" scottie55 Apr 2016 #20
Not only Marx ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #38
Some of his ideas, like scientific socialism ... (Edited) Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #36
Who said it wasn't ? eppur_se_muova Apr 2016 #30
Wasn't Smith an advocate of cooperatives? Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #40
There seem to be a few things in "The Wealth of Nations" .... eppur_se_muova Apr 2016 #48
Thank you for the link! Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #54
It is frighteningly similiar to the game Monopoly. bvar22 Apr 2016 #46
That is the point FreedomRain Apr 2016 #53
So fortunate that we have the Internet, Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #5
They'll be taking that away, too. dchill Apr 2016 #15
I don't know much about 'Net Neutrality' Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #22
Google is your friend... dchill Apr 2016 #23
NEVER! google.... Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #25
Many working class families do not have the time nor energy to search for news me b zola Apr 2016 #47
And when republicans talk about "big government", they are only focused on world wide wally Apr 2016 #6
and they're coming after the free and open internet tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #8
Yes. We die off and our children are put into a chokehold denying information, rusty quoin Apr 2016 #13
That is why they favor Trump (who opposes net neutrality) and Hillary (who can be corrupted with JDPriestly Apr 2016 #21
I want Disney to own everything Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #14
Oh, goodie... chervilant Apr 2016 #24
It's a world of laughter, a world of tears. It's a world of hopes and a world of fears. Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #60
I too refuse to use the sarcasm thingee. Those who don't get it be damned NightWatcher Apr 2016 #26
+0 snort Apr 2016 #28
Hehe. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #27
you need Nadin's 'over your head' toon... islandmkl Apr 2016 #41
K&R..... daleanime Apr 2016 #17
We the people can take them over Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #18
Manufactured Consent cer7711 Apr 2016 #19
k and r AxionExcel Apr 2016 #31
add in Clear channel - which goes by I heart radio these days I believe - and rurallib Apr 2016 #32
I am not that concerened... humbled_opinion Apr 2016 #33
At least for now we have the internet pressbox69 Apr 2016 #34
Yep. Eom Rebkeh Apr 2016 #35
Damn straight. I've been concerned for years. nt Duval Apr 2016 #39
Actually, if your pro-corporate, pro super pac, it's just fine. Nt grahamhgreen Apr 2016 #42
And they all went running with the "Dean Scream" and the "NYDY Interview Debacle" mhatrw Apr 2016 #44
To assure people vote and buy felix_numinous Apr 2016 #49
The Telecommunications Act of 1996. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #50
That and NAFTA were the beginning of the End. bvar22 Apr 2016 #55
It's true. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #58
GEM$NBComcast malaise Apr 2016 #56
FYI: I do not think GE owns Comcaset or NBC any longer. That is all Comcast. Still, very true FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #57
The billionaire owned Media corporations are Propaganda. We live in a country owned and Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #59
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Everyone should be concer...»Reply #37