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what reason do we have to believe the paid off media is telling the truth We Want Peace Jun 2012 #1
You will think what you want to think. MineralMan Jun 2012 #6
I would just like to point out one thing. zeemike Jun 2012 #46
I appreciate this post. It would help, however, snot Jun 2012 #2
Here's a summary of the existing uncertainty/lack of transparency re- snot Jun 2012 #23
I am with you, Snot. glinda Jun 2012 #93
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #102
Free voting machines were distributed throughout the state. snacker Jun 2012 #116
and we've all been well trained to rationalize our losses... Matariki Jun 2012 #81
was the heavy monitoring at the polling place or at the counting place? hobbit709 Jun 2012 #3
I'm not in Wisconsin. But, others on DU are, and MineralMan Jun 2012 #11
because a lot of DUers can't comprehend the fact that there are people who believe differently dionysus Jun 2012 #4
+1 Shrek Jun 2012 #7
I'm afraid you're right. MineralMan Jun 2012 #12
You make good points that I agree with but truckin Jun 2012 #20
It's not a one or the other thing... JHB Jun 2012 #38
I agree with you. That was the point I tried to make that we need to continue to fight in each truckin Jun 2012 #39
i'm not saying the republican election fraud doesn't exist. dionysus Jun 2012 #51
That is true, some believe every election that doesn't go our way is rigged. However, truckin Jun 2012 #56
on this we agree. dionysus Jun 2012 #115
ring a ding a ding dong. cali Jun 2012 #30
People believe it was stolen because there's no reason to trust the system. freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #33
As long as you are raising those same questions... ag_dude Jun 2012 #49
I have raised the issue generally, many times, before it pertained to any particular election. freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #55
Actually it IS valid. ag_dude Jun 2012 #64
This has nothing to do with who I am. freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #68
Like I said. ag_dude Jun 2012 #85
Bullcrap. We have seen mountains of evidence of Republican cheating for years and years. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #111
You sound no different than the republican nuts. ag_dude Jun 2012 #113
LOL. I am saying that Repukes cheat at every turn and you call me a Republican? rhett o rick Jun 2012 #114
I'm saying you are a mirror image of them. ag_dude Jun 2012 #117
I will say it again very slow. There is a ton of evidence that repukes cheat. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #120
Explain then libtodeath Jun 2012 #125
If you are a wacko, so am I. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #112
Thanks freedom fighter. nt shcrane71 Jun 2012 #86
Exactly marions ghost Jun 2012 #98
Damn dion. You get to the nub pretty quick, don't you? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #121
i try! dionysus Jun 2012 #122
Walker had 39 million dollars to spend. ananda Jun 2012 #5
There will never be a fair election as long as we have electronic voting. nt Javaman Jun 2012 #8
Amen . . . aggiesal Jun 2012 #70
+100 marions ghost Jun 2012 #101
+1,000,000,000,000 shcrane71 Jun 2012 #79
And electronic vote counting Matariki Jun 2012 #82
With the way the polls swung towards the challenger libtodeath Jun 2012 #9
I don't know that the election was rigged... Scuba Jun 2012 #10
Interestingly enough, that has been done elsewhere. MineralMan Jun 2012 #14
Interestingly enough, that has been done elsewhere besides Minnesota.... Scuba Jun 2012 #32
So if the fraud is massive there is no check on it? freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #35
If every election required a recount, the situation would be unmanageable. MineralMan Jun 2012 #73
So then the choice is between unreliable results and an unmanageable situation? freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #76
No. That's what you think the choice is. MineralMan Jun 2012 #92
What evidence *could* there be? freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #119
We asked our ROV in San Diego ... aggiesal Jun 2012 #110
Blaming Rove is more fun. greytdemocrat Jun 2012 #13
+1 HotRodTuna Jun 2012 #54
You don't need to steal an election when you can buy one. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2012 #15
Walker's ability to raise unlimited funds for this election MineralMan Jun 2012 #17
True in this particular instance, but I was considering the larger impact The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2012 #19
Yes. The criminal investigations continue. MineralMan Jun 2012 #24
You are far too trusting and not nearly cynical enough. RC Jun 2012 #16
I'm not trusting, and I'm quite cynical. MineralMan Jun 2012 #21
"The legislatures are where the power lies." - Bingo. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2012 #25
You are probably right that Walker won fair and square but would you agree that truckin Jun 2012 #37
Excellent points, all. proverbialwisdom Jun 2012 #43
You can agree the network calling the race 45 minutes in was at least Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #18
Media are always weird. MineralMan Jun 2012 #22
If your message is weak... kentuck Jun 2012 #26
I would love to see a manual recount sunnystarr Jun 2012 #27
Such a recount won't occur. MineralMan Jun 2012 #29
I agree. It's too easy to throw accusations of fraud kudzu22 Jun 2012 #28
Exactly, and why does Minnesota have a Democratic MineralMan Jun 2012 #31
There was a huge emphasis on watching the votes and counts for Governor and you glinda Jun 2012 #94
And yet, he is the Governor. MineralMan Jun 2012 #95
Watching votes is one thing and glinda Jun 2012 #100
Rec'd n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #34
Walker won because the concept of a recall lost. jeff47 Jun 2012 #36
A much better explanation than anything else I've heard. It amazes me that there is *no* theft when SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #47
When we win, the Republicans claim the election was stolen. MineralMan Jun 2012 #74
Agree on all points SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #87
WI bucks the trend, and high voter turn out is now good for Republicans. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #80
Walker got about 38% of union housholds. Add to that fact that about 60% said they SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #88
That makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. It's not that difficult to understand. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #90
I'm just using the polling data to come to some realistic conclusions. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #91
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #103
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YOU CAN'T MONITOR THE INSIDE OF A VOTING MACHINE nt HomerRamone Jun 2012 #41
Yep... thank you! And who manufactures the voting machines? nt. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #42
bingo 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #50
yep marions ghost Jun 2012 #105
Interrogating election integrity isn't about hope or hopelessness. EFerrari Jun 2012 #44
Holy fucking shit! THANK YOU!!!! shcrane71 Jun 2012 #57
^^ This ^^ gkhouston Jun 2012 #71
NYT exit poll cosmicaug Jun 2012 #45
meh hfojvt Jun 2012 #48
In para. 3, photo ID and registering at the polls have nothing to do with election fraud AllyCat Jun 2012 #52
HAHAHA... too sick eowyn_of_rohan Jun 2012 #53
You know who the true silent majority is? shcrane71 Jun 2012 #58
Why are we reduced to faith based voting? EFerrari Jun 2012 #61
I didn't think Progressives read crappy books like The Secret. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #66
Voters were deluged by media that re-inforced the idea the recall was illegit. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #72
NBC called it while people were still voting. NYT's called it prior to polls closing. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #78
Yes, peculiar. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #83
+1. I'm disgusted to see so many people who are ok with this election & so invested in HiPointDem Jun 2012 #104
Obey, goddammit. EFerrari Jun 2012 #109
Black-box tabulation sets the stage for wholesale theft. Fozzledick Jun 2012 #59
People who feel it was rigged lack hard evidence. Bradical79 Jun 2012 #60
In a post-Citizens United world, every election is rigged. hifiguy Jun 2012 #62
Almost impossible Stevepol Jun 2012 #63
Yeah it was rigged... Javaman Jun 2012 #65
Bookmarking for later. Thanks. K&R - n/t coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #67
"Fixing an election to produce the results that actually happened would be almost impossible" Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #69
There are few absolutes that can be stated. MineralMan Jun 2012 #77
Not really, everyone knew the 2000 and probably the 2004 elections Rex Jun 2012 #75
Maybe they forgot to rig the machines for McCain kudzu22 Jun 2012 #84
Dunno about that, but they sure did hate McSame. Rex Jun 2012 #89
There are endless reasons why they wouldn't try in 2008. EFerrari Jun 2012 #107
I think it's a little bit of both... progress2k12nbynd Jun 2012 #96
So you think the election could have been rigged. I agree. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #97
Myself, I want to cooperate with the Thought Police EFerrari Jun 2012 #108
There seem to be an awful lot of threads encouraging us to conform and cooperate. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #123
I agree and I think recall politics is a losing game. TNLib Jun 2012 #99
yeah, forget about any tools citizens have outside the regular rigged elections. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #106
and to those who won't let go of the rigged election argument... ibegurpard Jun 2012 #118
Of course you keep fighting. But you also acknowledge that there are major problems truckin Jun 2012 #124
The alternative you don't name is cleaning up our election systems. EFerrari Jun 2012 #126
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