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davidn3600

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38. Not necessarily the way you think

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:59 AM

Apr 2016

New fathers actually start working more hours and asking for raises/promotions figuring they will need more money for the family.

New mothers start asking for more time off.

What do you think the long term results of that dynamic will be? It's common sense.

When you look at women age 24-34 who are unmarried and without children, the wage gap with men practically vanishes. Once she gets married and/or has children children, it changes. She falls behind her male peers and never catches up.

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Being a woman will cost you almost half a million over your lifetime - just for being female. [View all] Triana Apr 2016 OP

Does it control for time taken off to have children? TipTok Apr 2016 #1

not all us gals have kids Skittles Apr 2016 #11

Perhaps... TipTok Apr 2016 #19

women are penalized because they MIGHT have children Skittles Apr 2016 #20

yes! in the late 80's, hopemountain Apr 2016 #22

I guess that's my question... TipTok Apr 2016 #40

those factors do play into it Skittles Apr 2016 #45

Not necessarily the way you think davidn3600 Apr 2016 #38

and there is still a disparity for women age 24-34 Skittles Apr 2016 #44

That's partly an issue with perceived gender roles davidn3600 Apr 2016 #64

"perceived gender roles" = SEXISM Skittles Apr 2016 #83

You of course, have objective and peer-reviewed sources to support your allegations, yes? LanternWaste Apr 2016 #73

Absolutely...... davidn3600 Apr 2016 #76

Long ago when I was a teacher, I was Yupster Apr 2016 #81

It doesn't control for anything other than gender Major Nikon Apr 2016 #26

Single most of my working life, no kids, working more hours than my co-workers SharonAnn Apr 2016 #27

The plural of anecdote is not data... TipTok Apr 2016 #41

Well... TipTok Apr 2016 #42

Poor men treestar Apr 2016 #53

I think he is saying that some jobs pay more than other jobs Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #56

Strawman much? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #63

It doesn't allow for patriarchal religious socialization systems either, oh my, look at Utah. nt Umbral18 Apr 2016 #72

Inaccurate. You inferred merely one many possible conclusions. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #74

Sure, nothing misleading at all about the OP Major Nikon Apr 2016 #77

It's the women who have to do that treestar Apr 2016 #54

I would treat them as separate issues... TipTok Apr 2016 #59

We need paid maternity leave. Adrahil Apr 2016 #55

Ive always wondered why a single business hasnt just hired all women Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #2

You mean like most cleaning services and day cares? (nt) Recursion Apr 2016 #4

Why not have every business hire all women? Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #9

You mean like the 98% of non-female dominated fields that still don't linuxman Apr 2016 #25

Some fields are near impossible to break into awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #34

Because they don't really believe that would give them a good company treestar Apr 2016 #51

No one needs to try. Natural variations would make the pay gap unavoidable Taitertots Apr 2016 #93

That's only the wages we're cheated out of Warpy Apr 2016 #3

Yep. I bet when you factor all of it in, it's much more. Triana Apr 2016 #6

You can't be serious. linuxman Apr 2016 #23

and unpaid caregiving role for increasing number of elderly parents too zazen Apr 2016 #31

Are you serious? davidn3600 Apr 2016 #36

Well... That was hyperbolic... TipTok Apr 2016 #43

is that really slave labor? hfojvt Apr 2016 #46

This is a major concern DetroitSocialist83 Apr 2016 #5

but it gets worse--items marketed for women are marked up even TheDormouse Apr 2016 #7

Hell yes. Triana Apr 2016 #13

Then WHY BUY THE PINK ONES?!? tkmorris Apr 2016 #35

Then you'd have to be an idiot to by them. linuxman Apr 2016 #24

even tampons are typically taxed higher than male personal hygiene items! TheDormouse Apr 2016 #8

they are not taxed higher Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #10

the point 2naSalit Apr 2016 #14

then lets stop taxing all hygiene items Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #17

When tampons are taxed but Viagra, Rogaine, dandruff shampoo & adult diapers are not, TheDormouse Apr 2016 #66

They're taxed as "non-necessities" Triana Apr 2016 #16

Luxury items 1939 Apr 2016 #61

Yes... Triana Apr 2016 #62

They are NOT taxed as a "luxury" 1939 Apr 2016 #71

Worse when you're single Politicalboi Apr 2016 #12

It's been my experience Triana Apr 2016 #15

been dealing with the 2naSalit Apr 2016 #18

Civilization/Society is about perpetuating itself The2ndWheel Apr 2016 #21

If you are gay you can have a spouse now treestar Apr 2016 #50

does it adjust for the fact hill2016 Apr 2016 #28

Yes that's been factored in. ErikJ Apr 2016 #30

More women now enter law and graduate xmas74 Apr 2016 #48

women in law hill2016 Apr 2016 #69

Law isn't good to get into right now davidn3600 Apr 2016 #70

Yes, male enrollment *is* dropping.... usedtobedemgurl Apr 2016 #79

Sometimes it get silly 1939 Apr 2016 #60

Like most of these studies...all it does is compare the genders davidn3600 Apr 2016 #68

Clothes and beauty products and care alone would add tens of thousands ErikJ Apr 2016 #29

And if women aren't eye candy 100% of the time all their lives... Triana Apr 2016 #33

Plus you have to live in a better, safer area and that means more $$$. Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #32

And we pay more for a lot of things. Marrah_G Apr 2016 #37

Anyone notice Florida is the best? davidn3600 Apr 2016 #39

Gotta love those averages hfojvt Apr 2016 #47

But the point with her is that xmas74 Apr 2016 #52

no the point with her IS hfojvt Apr 2016 #67

I make nowhere near her income. xmas74 Apr 2016 #86

I thought it was going to be about being charged more treestar Apr 2016 #49

I'm kind of amazed at the progressives here who think such a thing is not happening. alarimer Apr 2016 #57

I am pretty amazed by some of the sexist responses here too. smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #94

I think it's lazy reporting. There was a non-scandal when it was noted that Hillary pays her female WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #58

I'm a male and make 4% less than a male coworker with less experience GummyBearz Apr 2016 #65

Is the power of money a function of earning it or spending it? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #75

None of this addresses wage or price / cost disparities. Triana Apr 2016 #78

But you aren't including hours worked! Men are OVERWORKING! davidn3600 Apr 2016 #80

Who is raising their kids and cleaning their house while they're doing it? Triana Apr 2016 #87

No one is going to pay you for you to clean your own house or raise your own kids davidn3600 Apr 2016 #91

These threads are just bigot-magnets, sadly. :( Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #82

No kidding! Triana Apr 2016 #88

No amount of telling them otherwise will crack that impenetrable need to be superior. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #90

You said it! smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #95

Kick for exposure. HuckleB Apr 2016 #84

I thank my lucky stars I was born female. cwydro Apr 2016 #85

In male-dominated fields like aviation, IT, etc. Triana Apr 2016 #89

Lol! cwydro Apr 2016 #96

We need more women in the coal mines and on commercial fishing boats Taitertots Apr 2016 #92