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In reply to the discussion: Former Gov. Bob Graham goes on 60 Minutes to talk about Saudi/911 hijackers connections [View all]seafan
(9,387 posts)87. Bin Laden: “Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: ....."
"....Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
Why Were Never Told Why Were Attacked, April 9, 2016
When Western media discusses terrorism against the West, the motive is almost always left out, even when the terrorists state they are avenging longstanding Western violence in the Muslim world...
To explain why these attacks happen is not to condone or justify terrorist outrages against innocent civilians. It is simply a responsibility of journalism, especially when the why is no mystery. It was fully explained by Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the four London suicide bombers. Though speaking for only a tiny fraction of Muslims, he said in a videotaped recording before the attack:
Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
The Islamic State published the following reason for carrying out last Novembers Paris attacks:
Let France and all nations following its path know that they will continue to be at the top of the target list for the Islamic State and that the scent of death will not leave their nostrils as long as they partake part in the crusader campaign and boast about their war against Islam in France, and their strikes against Muslims in the lands of the Caliphate with their jets.
Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
The Islamic State published the following reason for carrying out last Novembers Paris attacks:
Let France and all nations following its path know that they will continue to be at the top of the target list for the Islamic State and that the scent of death will not leave their nostrils as long as they partake part in the crusader campaign and boast about their war against Islam in France, and their strikes against Muslims in the lands of the Caliphate with their jets.
Ignoring such clear statements of intent, we are instead served bromides by the likes of State Department spokesman Mark Toner about the Brussels bombings, saying it is impossible to get into the minds of those who carry out these attacks.
Mind reading isnt required, however. The Islamic State explicitly told us in a press statement why it did the Brussels attacks: We promise black days for all crusader nations allied in their war against the Islamic State, in response to their aggressions against it.
Yet, still struggling to explain why it happened, Toner said, I think it reflects more of an effort to inflict on who they see as Western or Westerners fear that they can carry out these kinds of attacks and to attempt to lash out.
Toner ascribed the motive to a state of mind: I dont know if this is about establishing a caliphate beyond the territorial gains that theyve tried to make in Iraq and Syria, but its another aspect of Daeshs kind of warped ideology that theyre carrying out these attacks on Europe and elsewhere if they can. Whether its the hopes or the dreams or the aspirations of a certain people never justifies violence.
After 9/11, President George W. Bush infamously said the U.S. was attacked because they hate our freedoms. Its a perfect example of a Western view that ascribes motives to Easterners without allowing them to speak for themselves or taking them seriously when they do.
Explaining his motive behind 9/11, Osama bin Laden, in his Letter to America, expressed anger about U.S. troops stationed on Saudi soil. Bin Laden asked: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: Because you attacked us and continue to attack us. (Today the U.S. has dozens of bases in seven countries in the region.)
So why wont Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists statements of intent at face value? Why wont they really tell us why we are attacked?
It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.
Some government officials and journalists might delude themselves into believing that Western intervention in the Middle East is an attempt to protect civilians and spread democracy to the region, instead of bringing chaos and death to further the Wests strategic and economic aims. Other officials must know better.
Mind reading isnt required, however. The Islamic State explicitly told us in a press statement why it did the Brussels attacks: We promise black days for all crusader nations allied in their war against the Islamic State, in response to their aggressions against it.
Yet, still struggling to explain why it happened, Toner said, I think it reflects more of an effort to inflict on who they see as Western or Westerners fear that they can carry out these kinds of attacks and to attempt to lash out.
Toner ascribed the motive to a state of mind: I dont know if this is about establishing a caliphate beyond the territorial gains that theyve tried to make in Iraq and Syria, but its another aspect of Daeshs kind of warped ideology that theyre carrying out these attacks on Europe and elsewhere if they can. Whether its the hopes or the dreams or the aspirations of a certain people never justifies violence.
After 9/11, President George W. Bush infamously said the U.S. was attacked because they hate our freedoms. Its a perfect example of a Western view that ascribes motives to Easterners without allowing them to speak for themselves or taking them seriously when they do.
Explaining his motive behind 9/11, Osama bin Laden, in his Letter to America, expressed anger about U.S. troops stationed on Saudi soil. Bin Laden asked: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: Because you attacked us and continue to attack us. (Today the U.S. has dozens of bases in seven countries in the region.)
So why wont Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists statements of intent at face value? Why wont they really tell us why we are attacked?
It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.
Some government officials and journalists might delude themselves into believing that Western intervention in the Middle East is an attempt to protect civilians and spread democracy to the region, instead of bringing chaos and death to further the Wests strategic and economic aims. Other officials must know better.
A few might know the mostly hidden history of duplicitous and often reckless Western actions in the Middle East. It is hidden only to most Westerners, however. So it is worth looking in considerable detail at this appalling record of interference in the lives of millions of Muslims to appreciate the full weight it exerts on the region. It can help explain anti-Western anger that spurs a few radicals to commit atrocities in the West.
French diplomat Francois George-Picot, who along with British colonial officer Mark Sykes drew lines across a Middle East map of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, carving out states with boundaries that are nearly the same as they are today.
French diplomat Francois George-Picot, who along with British colonial officer Mark Sykes drew lines across a Middle East map of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, carving out states with boundaries that are nearly the same as they are today.
The history is an unbroken string of interventions from the end of the First World War until today. It began ....
French diplomat Francois George-Picot, who along with British colonial officer Mark Sykes drew lines across a Middle East map of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, carving out states with boundaries that are nearly the same as they are today.
French diplomat Francois George-Picot, who along with British colonial officer Mark Sykes drew lines across a Middle East map of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, carving out states with boundaries that are nearly the same as they are today.
The history is an unbroken string of interventions from the end of the First World War until today. It began ....
There seems to be an agenda by those who make it their business, never to explain the "why" to Americans.
It is very clear.
And today, the man who declared that 'they hate us for our freedoms', still walks free.
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Former Gov. Bob Graham goes on 60 Minutes to talk about Saudi/911 hijackers connections [View all]
seafan
Apr 2016
OP
Definitely a step in the right direction, even if we're still beating around the BUSH.
forest444
Apr 2016
#8
PANAMA elicits a big drip of information in order to take over the water cooler. eom
Festivito
Apr 2016
#16
I wonder what our presidential candidates positions are on releasing this report.
Purveyor
Apr 2016
#27
...and, there's Bandar Bush!!! They were certainly the Bush's allies!!! Funny how that works.
FighttheFuture
Apr 2016
#107
If anyone of the other Bushistas has said that Rove quote I'd actually be less pissed about it.
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2016
#64
^2 quotes that haunted us for 16 years and will continue to do so for at least the next 25 years.
Major Hogwash
Apr 2016
#83
That PNAC document formed the basis for the offical National Security Strategy of the USA
Martin Eden
Apr 2016
#97
They could have run a scam on us for a hundreds years but they got too greedy.
Enthusiast
Apr 2016
#63
The news media, on the very day of the attacks, were describing it as being like a new Pearl Harbor
ChisolmTrailDem
Apr 2016
#60
I agree! Republicans and Democrats are complicit. Obama appointed Eric Holder and they both
Dustlawyer
Apr 2016
#88
The plans were drawn before that. Gulf War I was supposed to initiate the invasion.
Ford_Prefect
Apr 2016
#35
The PNAC web site stayed up for quite a while after 9-11; I remember ...
eppur_se_muova
Apr 2016
#39
Post 12 at your link sources the "We got lucky" line I mentioned above. Thanks.
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2016
#81
"He warned his colleagues. Most ignored him." One is running for Prez in the Dem Party.
EndElectoral
Apr 2016
#62
Would that be the one proud of selling billions of arms/planes to Saudi Arabia?
Roland99
Apr 2016
#68
Bin Laden: “Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: ....."
seafan
Apr 2016
#87
Graham says the report would prove the 911 pilots had high-ranking Saudi officials' support.
seafan
Apr 2016
#101