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Martin Eden

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22. No. You have it backwards.

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:50 AM

Apr 2016

First, The People must be rallied to insist on life's necessities which you derisively refer to as entitlements.

Then, we can elect representatives who are motivated to achieve these goals. Too many current members of Congress are beholden to their deep pocket campaign contributors and will never be part of the necessary political coalition.

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As Simple As That [View all] kpete Apr 2016 OP

I've never heard that quote of his before. Perfect. n/t virtualobserver Apr 2016 #1

Probably because it's from when he was head of the USIA. Brickbat Apr 2016 #84

That's what my point has been with regards to Sanders traveling from college campus to Trust Buster Apr 2016 #2

entitlements ? AlbertCat Apr 2016 #3

Hillary greiner3 Apr 2016 #106

entitlements.........what??????????????????????????????????????? bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #4

One thing for certain, if we don't fight for it we will never get it. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #6

He can't hear you. Fingers in the ears. nt Lucky Luciano Apr 2016 #7

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!! earthmanneil Apr 2016 #71

Exactly. bvar22 Apr 2016 #88

Right on! Enthusiast Apr 2016 #92

YES! lakeguy Apr 2016 #97

.that^ 840high Apr 2016 #102

We had tuition-free universities 50 years ago The Blue Flower Apr 2016 #8

It's pie in the sky because Sanders knows he can't come close to having the votes in Congress. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #9

He's not saying "Vote for me and I will give you this" tkmorris Apr 2016 #29

"Vote for me and if elected I will fight for this". suffragette Apr 2016 #82

The pooh-poohers don't hear Bernie's message; they only... Beartracks Apr 2016 #114

Psssssst.... Plucketeer Apr 2016 #43

well said. Merryland Apr 2016 #51

Well this is the same small group that crapped all over GD about the working poor making $15 an hr. Rex Apr 2016 #81

So it would be better to vote for some one..... daleanime Apr 2016 #75

Can't can't can't passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #90

"Can't can't can't" greiner3 Apr 2016 #107

The big surprise will be when the present Congress gets voted out lunatica Apr 2016 #98

Who says he won't have the votes in Congress?! DrBulldog Apr 2016 #99

Maybe not in the next 3or6 elections but greiner3 Apr 2016 #109

Both my parents went to Brooklyn College elljay Apr 2016 #110

"If you never do what you never did, you will never get what you never got." lastlib Apr 2016 #112

As one who was there, jomin41 Apr 2016 #10

exactly - We did it before Reagan Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #89

Again... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #11

He's doing it backwards. A political coalition must be built first. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #12

No. You have it backwards. Martin Eden Apr 2016 #22

That's what I said. But, judging from the low turnout in 2014, the will does not seem to be there. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #24

What did they have motivating them to turn out in 2014? tkmorris Apr 2016 #31

Exactly! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #35

No one invited the Tea Party. They made their own room by grass roots organizing. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #37

Yes bottom up movement IS happening chknltl Apr 2016 #54

And that elected how many of your candidates on the state and federal level ? Talk is cheap. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #58

Huh? You contradict yourself! chknltl Apr 2016 #64

By bottom-up I meant electing Democrats at the state and federal level. That's how it's done. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #66

The Tea Party wasn't fully bottom up. chknltl Apr 2016 #73

The Tea Party was not grassroots. zalinda Apr 2016 #74

Actually it was funded by the Koch brothers. They paid Beck $1 million to read their script. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #85

The problem there is the DNC zalinda Apr 2016 #95

That really turned out the voters! bvar22 Apr 2016 #96

The Political Revolution may or may not be forthcoming Martin Eden Apr 2016 #70

That is exactly what WE are doing! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #33

I'm talking about having candidates elected at the state and federal legislative levels. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #38

Have you seen the crowds? Plucketeer Apr 2016 #44

Don't be. A lot of them are still Reagan Democrats. Rex Apr 2016 #79

"Entitlements" LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #13

Yes, entitlements. That's what it is when you offer value to one individual payed for by another. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #15

You chose an apt name n/t LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #16

I don't understand ? What do you mean ? Trust Buster Apr 2016 #17

Who the hell could Trust you when youj are spouting Republican talking points? Human101948 Apr 2016 #23

How is suggesting that Sanders is promising college students that which he knows he doesn't Trust Buster Apr 2016 #25

LOL! Plucketeer Apr 2016 #45

I don''t think you should have been booted for offering an honest and respectful opinion. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #46

Because this is an issue that every Democrat should get behind.... Human101948 Apr 2016 #56

Well said. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #60

The point is that we need the polical power in Congress to affect change. We are nowhere near Trust Buster Apr 2016 #62

And you will never have it if you only offer Republican Lite solutions... Human101948 Apr 2016 #63

Did the Tea Party need a presidential candidate to win state and federal legislative positions ? Trust Buster Apr 2016 #68

Jesus left behind only 12 followers and look how Christianity worked out... Human101948 Apr 2016 #69

The Tea Party a grass roots movement? My my, that is not true at all. Rex Apr 2016 #77

I understand that. I was not referring to funding. I was referring to process. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #86

Oy. You are tiresome ProfessorPlum Apr 2016 #65

And of course they seem to keep getting key critical information wrong and not admitting to it. Rex Apr 2016 #78

Nope, wasn't talking about Tea Party funding. I was talking about process. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #87

You are using the Hate Radio definition, not the legal definition. ieoeja Apr 2016 #26

What would you call value that is given to one that is payed for by another ? Entitlement isn't a Trust Buster Apr 2016 #27

Depends. Welfare is part of the security net. Education is an investment into our future. ieoeja Apr 2016 #28

If you have to pay for those things, then it seems to me that you may call it what you wish. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #30

If truth is not important to you, then certainly you may call anything what you wish. n/t ieoeja Apr 2016 #32

The truth is that these programs cost real money. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #34

So do unnecessary counterproductive wars of choice and corporations that receive tax refunds. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #49

Yes, that is true as well. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #50

Our current views about such things have to change. ronnie624 Apr 2016 #39

You just lack the votes in Congress. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #41

Peoples' attitudes must change first. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2016 #42

Why are you repeating Republican talking points? Enthusiast Apr 2016 #48

Why are you repeating your bogus Right wing talking point, talking point. Debate the issues. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #53

I have never repeated a right wing talking point. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #57

I said your "Right wing talking point" talking point. That's just a deflection from the issues. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #59

No it is not. Your views are shared by the rw eom noiretextatique Apr 2016 #72

I like to call it snort Apr 2016 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #67

He's probably voting for Hillary. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #101

You are doing great harm to the liberal cause by using right wing terminology. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #76

Entitlements? 4Q2u2 Apr 2016 #83

PLUS ONE! If we aren't fighting for a decent future for our children there is no reason to fight.. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #94

Agree and Thank You 4Q2u2 Apr 2016 #116

He should be pushing the winning agenda of austerity instead deutsey Apr 2016 #93

"Entitlements" is a GOP buzzword that tested as negative in focus groups.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #100

And Hillary? How much do you think She'll get through Congress with LiberalElite Apr 2016 #108

Unless a politician uses the word 'promise' I don't think his plans should be called promises. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #113

K&R. To those of us that are watching closely the media is no longer persuasive (MSNBC). Enthusiast Apr 2016 #5

What would you like the news media to be persuasive about? Brickbat Apr 2016 #20

Reporting the truth! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #36

Thank you. As it is they try to be persuasive when they lead us to believe all sorts of nonsense. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #47

I guess I understand the word "persuasive" differently. Brickbat Apr 2016 #61

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #14

"Good night and good luck" was his sign off, but the "persuasive" quote was given when he was the Brickbat Apr 2016 #18

The six corporations who own all of our mainstream media. mountain grammy Apr 2016 #19

Luck did not work out so well. gordianot Apr 2016 #21

K&R jwirr Apr 2016 #52

This was when we had real news, unbiased and accurate. Duval Apr 2016 #55

Amen to that! d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #80

Not true of the media any more I'm afraid treestar Apr 2016 #91

There is no honest and truthful journalism in the American mass media today. tabasco Apr 2016 #103

I can hear all the people in advertising laughing their butts off tclambert Apr 2016 #104

People are cutting the cord to the MSM Babel_17 Apr 2016 #105

Has been replaced by "The tides go in, the tides go out, and no one knows the reason why." Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #111

Kick and R BeanMusical Apr 2016 #115