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davidn3600

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70. Law isn't good to get into right now

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:21 PM

Apr 2016

It's being flooded. There are too many tier 3 and tier 4 law schools. And it's flooding the market. The wages are falling and considering the massive cost it takes to go to law school, a lot of kids who were looking into it ultimately decide it's just not worth it.

20-30 years ago, you get into law school, get decent grades, you can get out and find a pretty good-paying job. It was a good bet. And the tuition was lower. Not that way anymore. People are coming out of law school today with $150,000+ of student loans and are lucky to fund a $35k job. It's bad.

Male enrollment in college, altogether, is falling. It's not just law school. And I think cost is probably becoming a big part of the issue. Young men see the job market stalling and stagnating and don't want to take on any significant debt.

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Being a woman will cost you almost half a million over your lifetime - just for being female. [View all] Triana Apr 2016 OP

Does it control for time taken off to have children? TipTok Apr 2016 #1

not all us gals have kids Skittles Apr 2016 #11

Perhaps... TipTok Apr 2016 #19

women are penalized because they MIGHT have children Skittles Apr 2016 #20

yes! in the late 80's, hopemountain Apr 2016 #22

I guess that's my question... TipTok Apr 2016 #40

those factors do play into it Skittles Apr 2016 #45

Not necessarily the way you think davidn3600 Apr 2016 #38

and there is still a disparity for women age 24-34 Skittles Apr 2016 #44

That's partly an issue with perceived gender roles davidn3600 Apr 2016 #64

"perceived gender roles" = SEXISM Skittles Apr 2016 #83

You of course, have objective and peer-reviewed sources to support your allegations, yes? LanternWaste Apr 2016 #73

Absolutely...... davidn3600 Apr 2016 #76

Long ago when I was a teacher, I was Yupster Apr 2016 #81

It doesn't control for anything other than gender Major Nikon Apr 2016 #26

Single most of my working life, no kids, working more hours than my co-workers SharonAnn Apr 2016 #27

The plural of anecdote is not data... TipTok Apr 2016 #41

Well... TipTok Apr 2016 #42

Poor men treestar Apr 2016 #53

I think he is saying that some jobs pay more than other jobs Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #56

Strawman much? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #63

It doesn't allow for patriarchal religious socialization systems either, oh my, look at Utah. nt Umbral18 Apr 2016 #72

Inaccurate. You inferred merely one many possible conclusions. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #74

Sure, nothing misleading at all about the OP Major Nikon Apr 2016 #77

It's the women who have to do that treestar Apr 2016 #54

I would treat them as separate issues... TipTok Apr 2016 #59

We need paid maternity leave. Adrahil Apr 2016 #55

Ive always wondered why a single business hasnt just hired all women Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #2

You mean like most cleaning services and day cares? (nt) Recursion Apr 2016 #4

Why not have every business hire all women? Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #9

You mean like the 98% of non-female dominated fields that still don't linuxman Apr 2016 #25

Some fields are near impossible to break into awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #34

Because they don't really believe that would give them a good company treestar Apr 2016 #51

No one needs to try. Natural variations would make the pay gap unavoidable Taitertots Apr 2016 #93

That's only the wages we're cheated out of Warpy Apr 2016 #3

Yep. I bet when you factor all of it in, it's much more. Triana Apr 2016 #6

You can't be serious. linuxman Apr 2016 #23

and unpaid caregiving role for increasing number of elderly parents too zazen Apr 2016 #31

Are you serious? davidn3600 Apr 2016 #36

Well... That was hyperbolic... TipTok Apr 2016 #43

is that really slave labor? hfojvt Apr 2016 #46

This is a major concern DetroitSocialist83 Apr 2016 #5

but it gets worse--items marketed for women are marked up even TheDormouse Apr 2016 #7

Hell yes. Triana Apr 2016 #13

Then WHY BUY THE PINK ONES?!? tkmorris Apr 2016 #35

Then you'd have to be an idiot to by them. linuxman Apr 2016 #24

even tampons are typically taxed higher than male personal hygiene items! TheDormouse Apr 2016 #8

they are not taxed higher Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #10

the point 2naSalit Apr 2016 #14

then lets stop taxing all hygiene items Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #17

When tampons are taxed but Viagra, Rogaine, dandruff shampoo & adult diapers are not, TheDormouse Apr 2016 #66

They're taxed as "non-necessities" Triana Apr 2016 #16

Luxury items 1939 Apr 2016 #61

Yes... Triana Apr 2016 #62

They are NOT taxed as a "luxury" 1939 Apr 2016 #71

Worse when you're single Politicalboi Apr 2016 #12

It's been my experience Triana Apr 2016 #15

been dealing with the 2naSalit Apr 2016 #18

Civilization/Society is about perpetuating itself The2ndWheel Apr 2016 #21

If you are gay you can have a spouse now treestar Apr 2016 #50

does it adjust for the fact hill2016 Apr 2016 #28

Yes that's been factored in. ErikJ Apr 2016 #30

More women now enter law and graduate xmas74 Apr 2016 #48

women in law hill2016 Apr 2016 #69

Law isn't good to get into right now davidn3600 Apr 2016 #70

Yes, male enrollment *is* dropping.... usedtobedemgurl Apr 2016 #79

Sometimes it get silly 1939 Apr 2016 #60

Like most of these studies...all it does is compare the genders davidn3600 Apr 2016 #68

Clothes and beauty products and care alone would add tens of thousands ErikJ Apr 2016 #29

And if women aren't eye candy 100% of the time all their lives... Triana Apr 2016 #33

Plus you have to live in a better, safer area and that means more $$$. Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #32

And we pay more for a lot of things. Marrah_G Apr 2016 #37

Anyone notice Florida is the best? davidn3600 Apr 2016 #39

Gotta love those averages hfojvt Apr 2016 #47

But the point with her is that xmas74 Apr 2016 #52

no the point with her IS hfojvt Apr 2016 #67

I make nowhere near her income. xmas74 Apr 2016 #86

I thought it was going to be about being charged more treestar Apr 2016 #49

I'm kind of amazed at the progressives here who think such a thing is not happening. alarimer Apr 2016 #57

I am pretty amazed by some of the sexist responses here too. smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #94

I think it's lazy reporting. There was a non-scandal when it was noted that Hillary pays her female WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #58

I'm a male and make 4% less than a male coworker with less experience GummyBearz Apr 2016 #65

Is the power of money a function of earning it or spending it? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #75

None of this addresses wage or price / cost disparities. Triana Apr 2016 #78

But you aren't including hours worked! Men are OVERWORKING! davidn3600 Apr 2016 #80

Who is raising their kids and cleaning their house while they're doing it? Triana Apr 2016 #87

No one is going to pay you for you to clean your own house or raise your own kids davidn3600 Apr 2016 #91

These threads are just bigot-magnets, sadly. :( Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #82

No kidding! Triana Apr 2016 #88

No amount of telling them otherwise will crack that impenetrable need to be superior. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #90

You said it! smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #95

Kick for exposure. HuckleB Apr 2016 #84

I thank my lucky stars I was born female. cwydro Apr 2016 #85

In male-dominated fields like aviation, IT, etc. Triana Apr 2016 #89

Lol! cwydro Apr 2016 #96

We need more women in the coal mines and on commercial fishing boats Taitertots Apr 2016 #92