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In reply to the discussion: Former Gov. Bob Graham goes on 60 Minutes to talk about Saudi/911 hijackers connections [View all]seafan
(9,387 posts)99. You have great memory, The Blue Flower.
From the NYT article written by Ron Suskind:
Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush, October 17, 2004
In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Who besides guys like me are part of the reality-based community? Many of the other elected officials in Washington, it would seem. A group of Democratic and Republican members of Congress were called in to discuss Iraq sometime before the October 2002 vote authorizing Bush to move forward. A Republican senator recently told Time Magazine that the president walked in and said: "Look, I want your vote. I'm not going to debate it with you." When one of the senators began to ask a question, Bush snapped, "Look, I'm not going to debate it with you."
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The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Who besides guys like me are part of the reality-based community? Many of the other elected officials in Washington, it would seem. A group of Democratic and Republican members of Congress were called in to discuss Iraq sometime before the October 2002 vote authorizing Bush to move forward. A Republican senator recently told Time Magazine that the president walked in and said: "Look, I want your vote. I'm not going to debate it with you." When one of the senators began to ask a question, Bush snapped, "Look, I'm not going to debate it with you."
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I have very little doubt that those chilling words oozed from Karl Rove's mouth.
Every single one of this cabal should have been prosecuted.
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Former Gov. Bob Graham goes on 60 Minutes to talk about Saudi/911 hijackers connections [View all]
seafan
Apr 2016
OP
Definitely a step in the right direction, even if we're still beating around the BUSH.
forest444
Apr 2016
#8
PANAMA elicits a big drip of information in order to take over the water cooler. eom
Festivito
Apr 2016
#16
I wonder what our presidential candidates positions are on releasing this report.
Purveyor
Apr 2016
#27
...and, there's Bandar Bush!!! They were certainly the Bush's allies!!! Funny how that works.
FighttheFuture
Apr 2016
#107
If anyone of the other Bushistas has said that Rove quote I'd actually be less pissed about it.
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2016
#64
^2 quotes that haunted us for 16 years and will continue to do so for at least the next 25 years.
Major Hogwash
Apr 2016
#83
That PNAC document formed the basis for the offical National Security Strategy of the USA
Martin Eden
Apr 2016
#97
They could have run a scam on us for a hundreds years but they got too greedy.
Enthusiast
Apr 2016
#63
The news media, on the very day of the attacks, were describing it as being like a new Pearl Harbor
ChisolmTrailDem
Apr 2016
#60
I agree! Republicans and Democrats are complicit. Obama appointed Eric Holder and they both
Dustlawyer
Apr 2016
#88
The plans were drawn before that. Gulf War I was supposed to initiate the invasion.
Ford_Prefect
Apr 2016
#35
The PNAC web site stayed up for quite a while after 9-11; I remember ...
eppur_se_muova
Apr 2016
#39
Post 12 at your link sources the "We got lucky" line I mentioned above. Thanks.
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2016
#81
"He warned his colleagues. Most ignored him." One is running for Prez in the Dem Party.
EndElectoral
Apr 2016
#62
Would that be the one proud of selling billions of arms/planes to Saudi Arabia?
Roland99
Apr 2016
#68
Bin Laden: “Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: ....."
seafan
Apr 2016
#87
Graham says the report would prove the 911 pilots had high-ranking Saudi officials' support.
seafan
Apr 2016
#101