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felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
81. It is just mind boggling
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:51 PM
Jun 2012

after such massive demonstrations in WI that Scott Walker would win. I am personally in shock. I don't think it is being a 'sore loser' to double check if the machines were hackable or hacked. It is our responsibility.

If the future of this country depends upon machines--then they better work. No I don't have any proof but I hope that people are looking VERY closely at the whole process--because these people do not have a record of being above the board.

Exit polls varying from election results are considered cause for investigations. Scuba Jun 2012 #1
Exit polling models for recall elections do not exist GarroHorus Jun 2012 #3
Oh yes there is a model for exit polling on recall elections slackmaster Jun 2012 #6
They counted the votes. Walker won by a huge margin. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #9
Not. When the Republicans cheated every other way they could, why are you so quick... Scuba Jun 2012 #12
There was no cheating going on in Wisconsin GarroHorus Jun 2012 #20
OK... Scuba Jun 2012 #26
I don't care if there is or isn't a manual recount GarroHorus Jun 2012 #38
No reason in your opinion. Others disagree. Scuba Jun 2012 #43
And others disagree about Obama's birth certificate GarroHorus Jun 2012 #45
You're on record as stating there's "no legitimate reason to launch an investigation"... Scuba Jun 2012 #50
200,000 votes GarroHorus Jun 2012 #53
One could rig the scanners to steal 200,000 votes as easily as one. Scuba Jun 2012 #54
No, they really couldn't GarroHorus Jun 2012 #58
which part of central tabulator don't you understand We Want Peace Jun 2012 #61
Your trolling is pretty obvious GarroHorus Jun 2012 #62
Oooooooh Noooooooooos SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #153
Your ignorance is boundless.... Scuba Jun 2012 #65
No, it couldn't GarroHorus Jun 2012 #68
Again, your ignorance is boundless... Scuba Jun 2012 #71
I object because it is ridiculous GarroHorus Jun 2012 #72
No conspiracy required. Scuba Jun 2012 #73
Now you're just being obtuse GarroHorus Jun 2012 #74
You've got nothing. I haven't claimed conspiracy, only cause to manually count. Scuba Jun 2012 #75
I keep comenting because you've presented nothing GarroHorus Jun 2012 #76
The margin of victory is not in the equation. Do you think those dictators with 98% wins... Scuba Jun 2012 #77
You appear to be th one who is not too bright GarroHorus Jun 2012 #78
You apparently signed up here to defend the election results. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #158
You apparently cannot decipher dates. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #165
i can decipher post counts, & you've made the highest proportion of yours in the last two days. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #168
Yes, I have GarroHorus Jun 2012 #169
You need to put on the foil hat on gmee2 Jun 2012 #97
Hahahaha, your really funny libertypirate Jun 2012 #177
You're spelling you're incorrectly GarroHorus Jun 2012 #178
The easiest way would be to flip it completely We Want Peace Jun 2012 #60
And I think that is exactly what happened. zeemike Jun 2012 #80
how many students are there in the UW system?? PatrynXX Jun 2012 #93
More importantly, how many students in the UW system have left for the summer... GarroHorus Jun 2012 #98
They went home to their communities and gmee2 Jun 2012 #173
That's enough in a democracy. The Wielding Truth Jun 2012 #79
One other point - I can't say how it is truedelphi Jun 2012 #111
The answer for that is to sign up to be an election judge. MineralMan Jun 2012 #137
your disagreement doesn't alter the facts either. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #157
That's your opinion. You have a lot of faith in the Republicans not cheating. History shows that sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #147
What you are saying is you doubt the integrity of Ray La Follette GarroHorus Jun 2012 #149
I am saying that to deny that Republicans cheat is like denying that grass is green. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #151
And I am saying that for the REpublicans to cheat on the scale you are suggesting... GarroHorus Jun 2012 #152
But it was not I who suggested anything, I have no idea if they tried, or even succeeded this sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #166
But it is abnormal to think that GarroHorus Jun 2012 #167
Uh, you could not be more wrong. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #176
Then present the damned evidence GarroHorus Jun 2012 #179
Face it gmee2 Jun 2012 #174
More ballots were delivered to precincts that ran short. Printers were on standby all day. Thegonagle Jun 2012 #130
"Precincts that ran short had MUCH higher turnout than predicted (other precincts didn't). " Scuba Jun 2012 #143
Thanks, now I don't have to respond to the, er, other poster. Scuba Jun 2012 #11
Doesn't that presume, though, that Seeking Serenity Jun 2012 #5
Exit poll variance is not proof of anything, but a good indicator and cause for audit. Scuba Jun 2012 #67
It could be a good indicator that ... oldhippie Jun 2012 #108
if that's the case, funny how exit polls have historically been used to predict elections, with HiPointDem Jun 2012 #159
Then present your evidence. Show those polls that varied. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #13
Exit polls are inherently unreliable Shrek Jun 2012 #39
Manufactured consent- exit polls work in other countries We Want Peace Jun 2012 #56
exit polls have been around a long time. but suddenly in the 90s they became highly inaccurate? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #160
Funny thing about exit polls... lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #55
The powers that be can't prove the election was fair and equitable either. fasttense Jun 2012 #83
Um, Florida 2000 was a 'fair election.' The Supreme Court's coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #129
Rec'd n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #2
claiming fraud where there is none is just being a sore loser. NightWatcher Jun 2012 #4
The Unions picked the fight? Care to explain that perspective? Scuba Jun 2012 #14
didnt the Unions start the recall effort? NightWatcher Jun 2012 #21
The fight started long before the recall started. And no, the recall wasn't started by the unions. Scuba Jun 2012 #34
Far worse, it's damaging. How many people said, "fuck it, it's all rigged anyway" and didn't bother? PeaceNikki Jun 2012 #19
PeaceNikki, I'm also very suspicious of those who scream "no fraud" when there are good .... Scuba Jun 2012 #46
I've never screamed any such thing. I've said no EVIDENCE of fraud, which is different. PeaceNikki Jun 2012 #48
I did not mean to imply that you are screaming anything, but disagree about the degree of difficulty Scuba Jun 2012 #52
Serious questions. Would it be difficult for a programmer from the voting machine truckin Jun 2012 #69
Yes jeff47 Jun 2012 #124
There are no manual counts in Wisconsin unless it is close enough for a recount or truckin Jun 2012 #135
The mantra seems to be: any results I support are fair and just 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #90
Well the Democratic Leadership truedelphi Jun 2012 #141
The fight was picked by walker, but nice revision of history. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #161
There are several obvious trolls operating on DU this morning slackmaster Jun 2012 #7
And there are several others telling members to "move along, nothing to see here". Scuba Jun 2012 #16
That might have something to do with the fact that there is nothing to see here. n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #22
If there is something to see SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #24
Here... Scuba Jun 2012 #28
Thats not proof that the election was stolen. SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #36
Nope, just cause for an investigation. Scuba Jun 2012 #42
I agree that there should be an investigation SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #47
Same folks bongbong Jun 2012 #140
Wow SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #154
Relax bongbong Jun 2012 #156
Paid? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #163
So relax! bongbong Jun 2012 #170
So why would you post SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #171
You got an imagination, I'll say that for ya bongbong Jun 2012 #172
It sure is "deja vu" - ain't it. truedelphi Jun 2012 #114
I noticed that too n/t RZM Jun 2012 #35
Seems to be an uptick in number readying for elections. glinda Jun 2012 #91
Yeah and they were obvious RZM Jun 2012 #122
yes. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #162
The election may not have been stolen but the election process is flawed truckin Jun 2012 #8
Ah. WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #10
Don't you know SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #15
The reasoning in support of election fraud or even the need for coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #131
your right on this, of course - crazy talk does not help prepare for all the battles to come Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #17
Oh come on Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #18
I wouldn't ask for proof; very little is absolute. But to those who are so confident in the outcome, truckin Jun 2012 #23
Because it was a rout Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #32
Forget the exit polls. What does it being a rout have anything to do with it? truckin Jun 2012 #40
Checkmate! Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #41
A random sample of wards are manually counted jeff47 Jun 2012 #125
No, they are not. truckin Jun 2012 #138
After rereading you post I agree that the polls were evidence that the election truckin Jun 2012 #44
How flawed could it be? Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #51
Any system where the votes are counted secretly, by a private corporation, with no truckin Jun 2012 #57
True. Fortunately, WI doesn't have such a closed system. Thegonagle Jun 2012 #134
How do you watch a machine count a vote? nt truckin Jun 2012 #136
On one given election, perhaps.... Junkdrawer Jun 2012 #25
First question--Can WI elections be Diebolded? If so, in which counties? Jackpine Radical Jun 2012 #27
Rigging the scanners would be a very simple trick. Scuba Jun 2012 #30
This is the optimal solution. nt truckin Jun 2012 #33
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #116
It's also very simple to catch. jeff47 Jun 2012 #126
Absolutely true in my state. Does WI have this? I hope so. Thegonagle Jun 2012 #132
They do not do manual counts in WI to check the machines. truckin Jun 2012 #139
You fill out a paper ballot but the machine, programmed by a machine company employee, truckin Jun 2012 #31
Each of those machines have to be programmed, every time, for each election. RC Jun 2012 #64
Who set up this system and why? THINK! We Want Peace Jun 2012 #29
"If an election was stolen and there's no evidence of it"... planetc Jun 2012 #37
Excellent post, thanks. Scuba Jun 2012 #84
Did it make a noise? HopeHoops Jun 2012 #49
Thank you for a dose of rationality. grantcart Jun 2012 #59
"Get the evidence and present it" yodermon Jun 2012 #63
Excellent counter, thanks. Scuba Jun 2012 #85
+1. Thanks for a realist's view. pacalo Jun 2012 #164
and even when there's a lot of evidence ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #66
Election thieves have had since 2000 to learn how to do it! ancianita Jun 2012 #70
It is just mind boggling felix_numinous Jun 2012 #81
+1 Scuba Jun 2012 #86
Who were the demonstrators? leftstreet Jun 2012 #100
Reprogramming Diebold voting machines is a plausible, probable option. hue Jun 2012 #82
Great post, thank you. Scuba Jun 2012 #87
Thanks hue for that link. fasttense Jun 2012 #88
If there's no evidence of it why do you assume it was stolen? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #89
Because it is not transparent and RepubliCONS are cheats. fasttense Jun 2012 #95
There is historical evidence of cheating on both sides 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #104
+1 Blue Owl Jun 2012 #148
Your reply does not follow logic. I did not "assume it was stolen". hue Jun 2012 #99
"Please do not put words in my mouth unless you quote me." Hah, wow 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #103
where did cali "assume it was stolen" if that's who you were responding to... hue Jun 2012 #117
I was responding to the gist of the OP 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #142
well it was likely stolen but on the basis of last minute law changes for students PatrynXX Jun 2012 #92
Evidence impossible to obtain Stevepol Jun 2012 #94
Well said Stevepol fasttense Jun 2012 #101
Right. The election is unverifiable. We take their word for it, and shut up, or else get ridiculed bleever Jun 2012 #105
U.S. citizens could learn something from Brazil and Costa Rica... polichick Jun 2012 #115
To cry stolen when it was a wipeout taught_me_patience Jun 2012 #96
that scenario exists probably only in your mind. I never had that impression. hue Jun 2012 #106
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence taught_me_patience Jun 2012 #112
from response #82 hacking Diebolds does NOT leave evidence... hue Jun 2012 #118
Lemme highlight the part you missed jeff47 Jun 2012 #127
6% is NOT a wipe-out fasttense Jun 2012 #109
This type of complacency is exactly what Rove and the repukes want. Zoeisright Jun 2012 #102
"This type of complacency is exactly what Rove and the repukes want." ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #107
Because after an election the cheating hurts more. fasttense Jun 2012 #110
Was our voting system fair and accurate in 2008? (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #120
Looks like both parties want that kind of complacency... polichick Jun 2012 #113
Venting is, at worst, a most benign form of releasing our frustrations. LanternWaste Jun 2012 #119
If an election can be stolen without leaving publicly obvious evidence, gkhouston Jun 2012 #121
People don't like their "team" to lose elections, myself included. But on this board there is a bad apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #123
Ahhhhh, but don't you know that the evidence is SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #128
Rather than "some nefarious vote-fraud conspiracy," planetc Jun 2012 #133
Why is it that no candidate or Party Official is willing to make such an allegation? brooklynite Jun 2012 #144
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... planetc Jun 2012 #146
Elections should be transparent from beginning to end. Lars39 Jun 2012 #145
That problem is that the US election system has almost no credibility anymore Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #150
"shut up about everything" HiPointDem Jun 2012 #155
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" Cerridwen Jun 2012 #175
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