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cjs118

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23. I hope it is overwrought nonsense, but although recall was not typical, there is reason for concern
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 01:10 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:26 PM - Edit history (1)

I agree with the perspective that this was not a typical election and that we can't extrapolate everything from it, but I also agree with what is apparently the opposing view that Citizen's United played a significant role, and that this could be an indicator of more problems to come. I don't see these ideas as mutually exclusive.

I supported the recall, so this isn't about finger pointing, but in hindsight I think it was a mistake. Since the voters were so opposed to the idea of the recall itself under these circumstances, I think the end result could be that it will discredit its supporters (especially unions) and continue to energize conservatives. Yet from what I remember, a year ago the landscape looked far more favorable for a recall - and I really doubt they would have pushed for one if that wasn't the case. So what changed?

The massive amount of money spent seemed to have a significant impact. And if I take an honest look at the people I meet and at my own reactions to things, it is easy to see why. If you watch MSNBC for more than an hour you will probably see a commercial from an oil company which is clearly trying to convince liberals that oil companies aren't so evil. And I can easily recognize what it is and how deceptive it is, but the commercials are so well done that they still have an impact. For me this results in some uncomfortable cognitive conflicts which make me end up using my DVR more often, but I can definitely see how people who are less informed and/or opinionated could be swayed by that. The commercials are a type of psychological assault - the marketing folks have specialized in understanding emotions well enough to manipulate them. They are very good at what they do.

And the commercials also do something else significant - they further convince conservatives that they are right and that they should be afraid, and that ends up being a huge motivation. From what I've heard, Republican turnout was immense, and for the most part dwarfed Democratic turnout, which was also high. Given that this recall was started by Democrats, that seems rather odd and disturbing. If you a listen for a moment to the recall supporters, you see how energized and supportive they are, and also how vitriolic they are - all of that anger and hatred and fear directed toward unions and Democrats. We might console ourselves by acknowledging that they are acting against their own interests, but does it really matter? I see how far off the deep end as the conservatives have gone, as often as they have lied and twisted the truth, and there are still hordes of people behind them spouting their nonsense. And that's largely a result of having a huge microphone. And it is pretty much impossible to have a serious discussion when corporate assholes are screaming into the mic.

So yes, we shouldn't try to extrapolate out everything from Wisconsin. I don't think that it tells us much about the Presidential election. I still think it is likely that Obama will win, and I don't think Wisconsin is a referendum on him (although I now understand why he stayed away). But if Obama wins, it'll be because he was still able to play the big money game, and because Romney is such a terrible opponent. The large amounts of money keeps Republicans competitive regardless of how crazy they get, and it helps to normalize that insanity within the public discourse and promotes the "both sides do it" mentality. This could very well mean that, at the very best, if nothing changes we are looking at a future of divided and dysfunctional government.

I know I'm personally in a rather depressed mood generally, so I might be taking a rather negative perspective. At other times I might be more optimistic, but honestly I think there is plenty of justifiable gloominess that can be seen in the WI recall, and we run a great risk of ignoring the problems if we just see the recall as special circumstances and nothing more. And I'm concerned that we would disregard concerns about CU and money in politics as "nonsense" and "exaggerated". I honestly hope that they are, I honestly hope that I am wrong, but I fear that I am not. I'm sorry for the lengthy rant. And yes, I agree we should move on, but I also think there are lessons to learn here.

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"Major wake-up call for the left?" Pab Sungenis Jun 2012 #1
Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2012 #2
Occupy! donheld Jun 2012 #65
I think it was a matter of not wanting to throw good money after bad. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #5
Yeah, that candidate . . . ArcticFox Jun 2012 #6
It ended up being one of the easiest fundamental mistakes you can make in an election. Pab Sungenis Jun 2012 #10
I've known this since 2006 when they refused to back Alaska's Diane Benson for US House. Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #20
"The left" has no party - though the country supports its positions. polichick Jun 2012 #38
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #55
Wake-up call. Gold Metal Flake Jun 2012 #3
Amen...EVERY election I've participated in since '94 has been a "wake-up" for someone Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #17
I think, maybe wrongfully jp11 Jun 2012 #27
I know what you mean. pa28 Jun 2012 #61
Since Walker's laws got passed, half of the labor in question left their unions. boppers Jun 2012 #62
I wish this overwrought nonsense would stop BeyondGeography Jun 2012 #4
1+ 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #9
I hope it is overwrought nonsense, but although recall was not typical, there is reason for concern cjs118 Jun 2012 #23
Nice first post===welcome to DU panader0 Jun 2012 #40
I agree. laundry_queen Jun 2012 #45
Welcome to DU...what a start! Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #49
Thanks for the suggestion cjs118 Jun 2012 #52
+1. Welcome to DU. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #60
Thank You. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #32
baloney. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #56
I wonder ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #7
It can be easily repeated anywhere Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #59
Democrats have to address the debt issue... kentuck Jun 2012 #8
The debt issue is a non-issue. Pab Sungenis Jun 2012 #11
Not spending cuts. kentuck Jun 2012 #16
All of them ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #34
The election will be over when the taxcuts expire... kentuck Jun 2012 #36
And??? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #46
And... kentuck Jun 2012 #47
First ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #51
Republicans scream about debt constantly when Democrats are in power, then get themselves bullwinkle428 Jun 2012 #12
If by address, ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #13
Until we recognize how the Republicans are using the debt issue... kentuck Jun 2012 #15
And Democrats need to point to Europe to let the public see Republicans' solution to the debt sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #30
1+ 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #37
Exactly, Dems need to have a clear message that exposes the Republican message, and they should not sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #50
I think Democrats have to address the *deception* issue cjs118 Jun 2012 #53
Here's a very serious solution to nearly balance the budget in just few years. Ready? pa28 Jun 2012 #64
"The Left" has been in Code Blue for sometime now deutsey Jun 2012 #14
Yep - we need a party. polichick Jun 2012 #42
Dont believe the polls, dont believe the media reports eowyn_of_rohan Jun 2012 #18
Proof? WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #19
the proof is in the machines as you should know, William Pitt eowyn_of_rohan Jun 2012 #21
So WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #22
in our election laws, written by the attorneys of voting machine companies eowyn_of_rohan Jun 2012 #24
So WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #25
useless , isnt it? eowyn_of_rohan Jun 2012 #28
Because WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #31
Get Bev Harris back on... greytdemocrat Jun 2012 #58
SHARED prosperity has to be the EXPLICIT message of the Party. Everything else fails. Romulox Jun 2012 #26
The wake-up call for Labor is this: The Democratic Party doesn't care about you. Bake Jun 2012 #29
Actually, the party doesn't give a shit about "the left" either. polichick Jun 2012 #39
BAM! You nailed it. Bake Jun 2012 #41
It can't decide if it wants to represent the people or... polichick Jun 2012 #44
The author is wrong. Citizens United had absolutely nothing to do with the Walker election. former9thward Jun 2012 #33
You are incorrect about Citizens United not applying to state elections. ibegurpard Jun 2012 #63
CU was a challenge to McCain-Feingold which is a federal election law. former9thward Jun 2012 #67
This is going to be a bad Nov Dokkie Jun 2012 #35
Too bad the "leaders" of the Democratic Party ... 99Forever Jun 2012 #43
my question is: Is the Democratic Party leadership moving away from Union support fascisthunter Jun 2012 #48
its actions say yes. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #57
so who really are these posters telling us what to think and say fascisthunter Jun 2012 #66
Some Here... Agree... WillyT Jun 2012 #54
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