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mnhtnbb

(33,381 posts)
48. Timing is everything in real estate.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:02 AM
Apr 2016

We had a fire that burned our house down in 2007. Had to fight the insurance company to get what we were owed--based on a replacement value policy--
and ended up having to hire a public adjuster (give him 15% of what was collected) because the insurance company REFUSED to give us more than
2/3 of what we owed on our loan claiming that was the value of the house. They finally paid us enough to pay off the loan, but we still had to come
up with cash out of pocket to clear the lot of the burned down house and take down some trees that had burned and were a hazard. That cost us
about $30,000. Out of pocket. Should have been covered by insurance.

We rented for a year. A small house came on the market in our same neighborhood, and we decided to buy it and remodel/update it. The insurance
company didn't fight us on contents replacement and we basically used the money from that for the remodel of the house.

Yeah, you guessed it. We bought that little house in 2008. Absolutely top of the market. Probably paid about $65,000. more than we should have.
Then we put more money into it.

About 2 years later we decided to rebuild on the lot where the house burned. We had a rental apartment on top of the detached garage that didn't burn
and figured we could get almost enough rent that would pay the property taxes. We determined--at our ages then 68 and 59--that we could afford to use
cash (from a lifetime of investment) to rebuild a house that we intended to design so we could "age in place". I hate these retirement communities
of nothing but old folks. Lots of people in our area go into them when they are in their 70's. Not for me. Shoot me first, please. We figured we'd
sell the little house we had bought/remodeled. Well. In 2011 we moved in to the new, single level house and put the little house on the market.
Nothing. No action. Not an offer for 4 months and meanwhile we're making mortgage payments. Pulled the house off the market and rented it within
a week since we live walking distance to campus at UNC - Chapel Hill. We continued to rent it for another three years. By that time hubby is 71
and still working almost full time but really wanting to back off to half time. Our youngest son was accepted to grad school at Yale School of Drama--with an excellent financial aid package--
but was still going to need more than $10K a year in living expenses. He wanted to take student loans and we convinced him not to--that we'd sell the little house and use cash from
that to help him. He could just consider it getting inheritance early. So, we put the little house back on the market. Lots and lots of showings. Not one offer until 6 months later (and
now vacant since tenant moved out three months earlier) while we're still making mortgage payments on it--for $10K more than we paid for it. We figured we had put at least $100K in to
the remodeling/updating. So there went the contents insurance money, but we did clear enough to help our son for three years of grad school. That was 2014.

OK. Fast forward to about a week ago. The house across the street from the little house goes on the market. Same size. Original owners who are going to retirement community.
That house sold in LESS THAN A WEEK listed at the same price as where we had priced our little house. My guess is close to--if not--full price. No updated kitchen or baths. They patched the roof that needs replacement. No big deck or carport which our little house had. I contacted our realtor--who also had their listing--and his response was "the market is hot again".

Timing. It's all about timing. If we'd held that little house until now--renting it to cover mortgage/taxes--I suspect we could have gotten $50K more than we did, which would be
about what you'd expect to get for having updated the place.

It's all about timing. In hindsight, we would have been better off NOT buying/updating that little house and dumping the lot for what we could have gotten out of it and not rebuilding.
How could you know?

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Borrow money and hope to sell at a higher price JVS Apr 2016 #1
It's been insane for decades. haikugal Apr 2016 #2
Wait... there's a lawnmower channel? Initech Apr 2016 #3
That was my reaction. SMC22307 Apr 2016 #23
Ha ha. Not I say. I think I spend about as much time flipping miyazaki Apr 2016 #42
Exactly. Plus what I usually ended up on were... SMC22307 Apr 2016 #44
You're not missing anything. Initech Apr 2016 #45
Yep. Netflix and PBS are enough for me. (n/t) SMC22307 Apr 2016 #46
Asking myself this question as well flamingdem Apr 2016 #4
Where do people GET this kind of money? LiberalEsto Apr 2016 #5
Small 2br Apt in my area is 12-1400/mo. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #6
We bought three decades ago spinbaby Apr 2016 #8
I've been in my small house a while. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #10
No kidding. I couldn't afford the house in Maryland if I had to buy it again. yeoman6987 Apr 2016 #38
Same here; I couldn't afford it on my salary alone. alarimer Apr 2016 #69
house hunters on HGTV edhopper Apr 2016 #7
I love it when two 25-years-olds with a budget of $900,000 Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #11
The kitchen is always edhopper Apr 2016 #15
Yeah!!! Who the hell takes a kitchen out on a date these days? So Far From Heaven Apr 2016 #24
I'd settle for a kitchen that had a stove younger than 31 yrs old Pakhet Apr 2016 #26
So true! Populist_Prole Apr 2016 #59
As someone who grew up in a poor rural area that shit drives me crazy. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #19
The stainless appliances Texasgal Apr 2016 #21
Because they have money to fix it Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #27
I worked in restaurants for too long when I was younger. Mariana Apr 2016 #28
I was thinking the same thing meow2u3 Apr 2016 #49
yes, cookie cutter grasswire Apr 2016 #29
No kidding. yeoman6987 Apr 2016 #39
Yeah that drives me up a wall too Populist_Prole Apr 2016 #58
Hard to say how others do it. 2naSalit Apr 2016 #9
loans JI7 Apr 2016 #12
They may have an inheritance Beaverhausen Apr 2016 #13
Or some people know how to make their money earn money. I turned 3000 bucks underahedgerow Apr 2016 #25
If you hit the real-estate market at the right time CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #31
"By the time the average Joe figures it out, it's too late." SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #34
Timing is everything in real estate. mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #48
Well that's it, isn't it? Staying in front of the game is the hardest part. It takes underahedgerow Apr 2016 #54
"No one gets rich by working from 9-5 and taking a paycheck from someone else." SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #35
But does it make me a sucker for having no desire to become rich? miyazaki Apr 2016 #43
Absolutely not!!!! It's a GOOD thing to not have unrealistic or lofty goals! underahedgerow Apr 2016 #51
Much of what I see on tv leaves me scratching my head Marrah_G Apr 2016 #14
My guess is either the show is completely full of shit, or they have family money. nt ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2016 #16
The most expensive home I ever bought was for $45,000.00 Kaleva Apr 2016 #17
I haven't seen a $35,000.00 house since the 70s. virgogal Apr 2016 #18
That $35,000 house bought in the 70's is probably worth a hundred grand now n/t meow2u3 Apr 2016 #50
We sold a house in 1979 for $50,000.00--we had paid $13,000.00 in 1960 virgogal Apr 2016 #66
WHERE IS THIS? nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #33
Upper Michigan Kaleva Apr 2016 #68
The only place I know of that you can find a home like that cheap is Detroit yeoman6987 Apr 2016 #40
I live in Upper Michigan Kaleva Apr 2016 #67
Detroit? I know a family that has few rentals and they live in them there and fix em and keep em Person 2713 Apr 2016 #41
Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #20
Toronto, Ontario? Release The Hounds Apr 2016 #22
Either they inherited it or they're dealing coke on the side Warpy Apr 2016 #30
What I've been asking for years. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #32
We're mortgage free, but... meaculpa2011 Apr 2016 #52
Wow. Oh wow. That's insane. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #56
Insane it is. I'm just glad... meaculpa2011 Apr 2016 #57
Live beneath their means? Retrograde Apr 2016 #36
Many parts of California that is a reasonable budget to buy a house. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #37
Yep. Teo folks carrying $4000 monthly payment Liberal_in_LA Apr 2016 #65
Half a mil given to them via inheritance, cashing in an annuity, or access to a trust? haele Apr 2016 #47
In lots of places they have to cram multiple roommates into their homes or apartments. silvershadow Apr 2016 #53
Seems a tad high matt819 Apr 2016 #55
They don't. Adrahil Apr 2016 #60
My cousin was on House Hunters. Beaverhausen Apr 2016 #61
I've heard that before from a realtor who was on a tiny house show. nolabear Apr 2016 #71
In answer to your original question: So Far From Heaven Apr 2016 #62
Is the househunt in Canada? Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #63
Los angeles, sf _ avg salaries are higher. Two incomes can carry the mortgage Liberal_in_LA Apr 2016 #64
in my town hfojvt Apr 2016 #70
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