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KurtNYC

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32. we have no media

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:08 PM

Jun 2012

"Liberal" ideas get run through the filter of MSM so there is no chance to frame issues in a way that favors our solutions. Currently the campaign by the RW is to delete labor history from the public view and many here do not understand how a boycott works for example. Many on DU think that you can boycott a TV show, you can't because you aren't the customer.

The RW often defines themselves by what they are NOT. They don't have to offer up solutions, only a vehicle to piss off liberals. They keep it stone simple. We talk about "educating the voters" and call people who don't vote our way "stupid" and that is a mistake. If you have to educate the voter to get them on your side then you have lost because there is no opportunity to educate them (we have no media) plus it is condescending to even think that way.

The voter gets presented with a choice and what they seem to be picking is whichever candidate they hate less or which ever candidate says they will spend less money. The Republicans have mastered this "Dollar Menu" version of politics. The TEA Party was basically the Dollar Menu version of the Republican party.

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Ok time for some tough love [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 OP

I completely agree with you... tallahasseedem Jun 2012 #1

You are absolutely correct. Thanks for posting. N/t emulatorloo Jun 2012 #2

do you have any evidence for this? cali Jun 2012 #3

I just had this conversation about our Corporation Commission. RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #4

I hate to be the downer here, but I'm fucking sick of working my ass off and so this time I didn't NC_Nurse Jun 2012 #5

Alas your republican neighbors care nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #8

actually, my republican neighbors have no ground game and cali Jun 2012 #11

As you say below, "all places in this country are not cut out from some cookie cutter." progressoid Jun 2012 #33

When Republicans lost, as they did badly in 2006 and 2008, I was amazed. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #63

They have message discipline KurtNYC Jun 2012 #6

I think that's more to the point. cali Jun 2012 #9

Especially when that message is shrouded in hatred and wrapped up in a cross. HughBeaumont Jun 2012 #14

we have no media KurtNYC Jun 2012 #32

Agreed. Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #54

Welcome to DU. KurtNYC Jun 2012 #74

Welcome to DU nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #86

"Tip O'Neil I fear was the last Democrat to understand that." zappaman Jun 2012 #87

I'm pretty sure half the local Democratic officials in the Country are Republicans..... Scuba Jun 2012 #7

We need to fight Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #10

You're trying to talk me into Vanguardism again! Taverner Jun 2012 #12

Well Lenin understood that principle of local organization nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #17

Actually, no. no they don't. all places in this country are not cut out from cali Jun 2012 #18

"Politics is Potholes" - unknown Taverner Jun 2012 #21

Are there any stats out on who voted and for whom yesterday in WI? Also Who ended up being the jwirr Jun 2012 #34

At the presidential level in Cali nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #35

Absolutely terrifying. And if I am not mistaken you are in what we have foundly called a blue state. jwirr Jun 2012 #38

and a blue city nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #40

If you aren't active locally, you cannot be active nationally. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #13

And it is face to face, hazardous and not at all glamorous. Those who look at the national picture.. freshwest Jun 2012 #31

It's simpler than that. The problem is the number of Republicans. Gregorian Jun 2012 #15

Alas that comes with organization nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #16

Yes. Gregorian Jun 2012 #41

I think your diagnosis is shallow and well, wrong. cali Jun 2012 #19

I think that's also part of the overall picture. Gregorian Jun 2012 #46

There are a few very important issues that most Democrats (and even some Republicans when the sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #64

That's what I've been saying. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #20

The chamber is the obvious suspect nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #24

It's really very disappointing when you know the names of the secret clubs and organizations, Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #28

I know who they are nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #36

They had a simple plan... cynatnite Jun 2012 #22

Starting in 1964 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #25

Couldn't disagree more. zappaman Jun 2012 #23

You're missing the patterns...those swirling patterns...get your patterns-glasses on.... apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #30

You are wrong as well. zappaman Jun 2012 #45

Heh-heh. I see what you did there. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #48

Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the unmaking... NAO Jun 2012 #26

Exactly... and that should be required reading nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #27

And sometimes it just happens that a majority of the voters agree with your opponents, and apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #29

It reminds my of the occupy movement. zappaman Jun 2012 #44

You're right. There's too much of that RZM Jun 2012 #52

We need to look at what we did that didn't appeal to the electorate Hangingon Jun 2012 #84

+100 zappaman Jun 2012 #85

I'm pretty sure that deaniac21 Jun 2012 #37

It's an east coast thing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #39

Wrong again. zappaman Jun 2012 #42

You are correct zappaman Jun 2012 #43

Animal or Pest Control used to be an elected position in smaller towns, like Sheriff. haele Jun 2012 #51

Ayup. A plain fact. nt daaron Jun 2012 #47

The reichwing message is EVERYWHERE. It is nearly impossible to avoid. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2012 #49

Who is the Chair of the party? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #50

Republicans and their corporate masters can buy MsPithy Jun 2012 #53

So can the Democrats. zappaman Jun 2012 #55

American Corporations are sitting on MsPithy Jun 2012 #58

Um....lots? zappaman Jun 2012 #60

From now on, corporations will not do something as old fashioned as MsPithy Jun 2012 #65

So tell me what was the excuse BEFORE Citizens United? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #56

There is no need for excuses before Citizens United. MsPithy Jun 2012 #59

Should I link to posts from 2004? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #71

Until we have transparent, fair and accurate elections again, none of that will matter. fasttense Jun 2012 #57

a rigged game... marions ghost Jun 2012 #66

Yeah the game is rigged but some of the problem is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #72

My county is supposedly "progressive" marions ghost Jun 2012 #75

Read on the Conservative Revolution nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #77

I'm with you that it's a critical time marions ghost Jun 2012 #80

For that you need to change the sacred document nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #81

"...until this cold civil war goes hot" zappaman Jun 2012 #83

The sacred document Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #93

I will not take full credit nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #94

LOL Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #96

Yeah and... part of the problem nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #68

County and municipal governments are run by crooks of one party or the other FarCenter Jun 2012 #61

By that logic leave this board nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #67

lol. seriously? all of them? cali Jun 2012 #69

AMEN!!! But somehow I think your words will go on deaf ears. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #62

It is much easier to come with a slew of excuses nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #70

If the Democratic party ever stops wining, they'll dissolve cbrer Jun 2012 #73

thanks for the red pen nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #79

Invitation? cbrer Jun 2012 #95

WI was pretty organized weren't they? BellaLuna Jun 2012 #76

They had an 8: 1 money advantage nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #78

In michigan... butterfly77 Jun 2012 #82

We need to use twitter more! obliviously Jun 2012 #88

I know you mean it as an attack nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #89

Really? zappaman Jun 2012 #90

It takes some longer than others obliviously Jun 2012 #92

you have heard of Dr. Dean's Meetups, right? cali Jun 2012 #91