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Eleanors38

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25. Beware of plug-in, plug-out WOD "research." Now, Heroin™ is in the slot...

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:36 PM

Apr 2016

...In the past, Emergency Room research would detect Heroin (or other drugs) in a person's system, and link that substance to a person's O.D. Of course, large quantities of alcohol were ignored in favor of the nemesis drug-of-the-day. Result? This (plug in your favorite drug) caused this OD or death. This "research" was done frequently for a more than willing and unquestioning MSM.

It is my understanding that edema is a great cause of death for Heroin addicts, and that acute condition is caused by Heroin AND the ingestion of large quantities of alcohol. See also: "Crack Baby Syndrome."

This not to say there is not a problem with over-prescription of legal opioids. But we should be aware of old and faulty approaches to "research" when defining and dealing with societal problems.

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46,000 Killed by Heroin Overdose is a LIE [View all] mitty14u2 Apr 2016 OP

I suspect all the hyperbole about "the heroin crisis" is tied directly to drug war gravy train types Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #1

Sorry. No hyperbole her in Ohio philosslayer Apr 2016 #5

Well obviously the drug war isn't working. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #6

Right now it's the morgue we're worried about filling. philosslayer Apr 2016 #7

You mean like this girl? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #8

You can blame a lot of the drug ODs on the drug war Major Nikon Apr 2016 #14

And this girl was thrown in a jail cell and allowed to die there. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #24

I'm sure it's equally as real as the crack and meth crises were Major Nikon Apr 2016 #9

It's very real here in southern Ohio too! Quackers Apr 2016 #38

The estimates of Heroin addiction range up to 1.5 million/yr in given year... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #27

Yeah, and the other thing that is under-recognized is, it's the tightening of prescription rules Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #35

The raunchiest political spectacle is the finest university system in the world having to... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #69

Not quite matt819 Apr 2016 #28

Well the prohibitionary, drug war approach isn't working. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #36

Some places, especially economically depressed places, are being hit hard Warpy Apr 2016 #60

Yeah, pretty much. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #66

very real in eastern PA Amishman Apr 2016 #67

I agree with that. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #68

Uh maybe you should come to JesterCS Apr 2016 #2

That equates to a rate of one heroin OD per 100,000 population, per year Major Nikon Apr 2016 #11

You've obviously never been to heroin alley JesterCS Apr 2016 #15

I'm pretty sure if more than one per day were dying from this I wouldn't have to go there to know it Major Nikon Apr 2016 #20

Sounds like Ohio is one fucked up State that the GOP let go to waste tenderfoot Apr 2016 #17

It's bad n/t JesterCS Apr 2016 #18

people that die in hospitals have to be given a cause of death Mosby Apr 2016 #3

All death certificates do Major Nikon Apr 2016 #13

Ummm..... what actually is an 'imagrant'?? postatomic Apr 2016 #4

I'll have you know this man didn't die from a heroin overdose Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #10

Which is much more common with alcohol Major Nikon Apr 2016 #12

More educated guessing? randome Apr 2016 #21

I guess you could probably go look for some cases Major Nikon Apr 2016 #23

If an otherwise healthy person is found dead, an autopy will be performed. NutmegYankee Apr 2016 #16

Guess that's why we're in Afghanistan... tenderfoot Apr 2016 #19

Look to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for this. I have a long memory. Hekate Apr 2016 #33

Makes one wonder why daddy has the nickname Poppy. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #44

of course it is drug war propaganda, just like the so-called "crack baby" epidemic TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #22

Beware of plug-in, plug-out WOD "research." Now, Heroin™ is in the slot... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #25

It's difficult to die from a heroin OD when no other substances are involved Major Nikon Apr 2016 #29

Yep. Alcohol is the biggest culprit: edema Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #30

Even that low number is seriously inflated Major Nikon Apr 2016 #32

Something is f'd up here... Rex Apr 2016 #54

I too favor a harm reduction approach with regards to things like heroin. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #42

Some people can't envision a world where someone doesn't tell them what they can and can't do Major Nikon Apr 2016 #59

I know. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #65

This thread is absolutely crazy! OhioBlue Apr 2016 #26

Just as real as the crack and meth epidemics, right? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #31

You should have seen the pile-on of an original DUer who dared to have an opinion... Hekate Apr 2016 #34

You can talk about addiction, but you should acknowledge that filling prisons with drug users- Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #37

You didn't listen to what Hillary learned, did you? That's what I mean about the DU response Hekate Apr 2016 #40

She can't even bring herself to answer a debate question about marijuana directly. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #41

What did she learn exactly? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #43

I saw it. OhioBlue Apr 2016 #56

Notice the OP never replied? snooper2 Apr 2016 #49

Some people get their amusement that way, but a look at his ... Hekate Apr 2016 #62

well, maybe he/she is in Houston dealing with the floods caused by FEMA snooper2 Apr 2016 #63

Baby Bou-Bou: SAVED by the drug war, when a SWAT Team threw a flash grenade in his crib! Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #39

... Major Nikon Apr 2016 #45

Man good to know all the kids who are dying in my hometown of Portland OR dilby Apr 2016 #46

This girl died because they threw her in jail for posession, and then ignored her. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #47

I agree 100% that people should not be in jail when their only crime is dilby Apr 2016 #50

I find it hard to believe the numbers went from 4K for all illegal drugs combined to 46K in 3 years. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #51

I think the 46,000 is not just heroin that would be heroin plus the 30,000 dilby Apr 2016 #55

I'm not really sure how promoting ignorance helps in that regard Major Nikon Apr 2016 #48

Can't help you, the person said the number of deaths from heroin was a lie. dilby Apr 2016 #52

So you really expect someone to disprove something that was never proven to begin with? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #57

I have no idea where they came up with that number. dilby Apr 2016 #58

You may want to look at those numbers closer Major Nikon Apr 2016 #61

Countering one allegation with another is as irrational as originating an allegation. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #70

Hitchens's razor Major Nikon Apr 2016 #71

What are you going on about? All over the road on this one. Rex Apr 2016 #53

Right. Check his Personal Profile for more info. Hekate Apr 2016 #64