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Eleanors38

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30. Yep. Alcohol is the biggest culprit: edema

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:52 PM

Apr 2016

The subject of drug policy is perhaps even more polarized than that of gun control. It is hard to get good info, and MSM still views the subject as a shriek in the night. But I have followed addiction trends, and the current trends seem to be up, but within the admittedly sloppy range of 600,000 to 1.5 million. Serious policy would treat heroin addiction alone as a public health question, requiring legalization and regulation to blunt the disease danger, educate folks on the alcohol/heroin threat, and to cut the legs from under the criminal market. This to say nothing about costs and harm due to crime.

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46,000 Killed by Heroin Overdose is a LIE [View all] mitty14u2 Apr 2016 OP

I suspect all the hyperbole about "the heroin crisis" is tied directly to drug war gravy train types Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #1

Sorry. No hyperbole her in Ohio philosslayer Apr 2016 #5

Well obviously the drug war isn't working. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #6

Right now it's the morgue we're worried about filling. philosslayer Apr 2016 #7

You mean like this girl? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #8

You can blame a lot of the drug ODs on the drug war Major Nikon Apr 2016 #14

And this girl was thrown in a jail cell and allowed to die there. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #24

I'm sure it's equally as real as the crack and meth crises were Major Nikon Apr 2016 #9

It's very real here in southern Ohio too! Quackers Apr 2016 #38

The estimates of Heroin addiction range up to 1.5 million/yr in given year... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #27

Yeah, and the other thing that is under-recognized is, it's the tightening of prescription rules Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #35

The raunchiest political spectacle is the finest university system in the world having to... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #69

Not quite matt819 Apr 2016 #28

Well the prohibitionary, drug war approach isn't working. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #36

Some places, especially economically depressed places, are being hit hard Warpy Apr 2016 #60

Yeah, pretty much. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #66

very real in eastern PA Amishman Apr 2016 #67

I agree with that. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #68

Uh maybe you should come to JesterCS Apr 2016 #2

That equates to a rate of one heroin OD per 100,000 population, per year Major Nikon Apr 2016 #11

You've obviously never been to heroin alley JesterCS Apr 2016 #15

I'm pretty sure if more than one per day were dying from this I wouldn't have to go there to know it Major Nikon Apr 2016 #20

Sounds like Ohio is one fucked up State that the GOP let go to waste tenderfoot Apr 2016 #17

It's bad n/t JesterCS Apr 2016 #18

people that die in hospitals have to be given a cause of death Mosby Apr 2016 #3

All death certificates do Major Nikon Apr 2016 #13

Ummm..... what actually is an 'imagrant'?? postatomic Apr 2016 #4

I'll have you know this man didn't die from a heroin overdose Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #10

Which is much more common with alcohol Major Nikon Apr 2016 #12

More educated guessing? randome Apr 2016 #21

I guess you could probably go look for some cases Major Nikon Apr 2016 #23

If an otherwise healthy person is found dead, an autopy will be performed. NutmegYankee Apr 2016 #16

Guess that's why we're in Afghanistan... tenderfoot Apr 2016 #19

Look to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for this. I have a long memory. Hekate Apr 2016 #33

Makes one wonder why daddy has the nickname Poppy. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #44

of course it is drug war propaganda, just like the so-called "crack baby" epidemic TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #22

Beware of plug-in, plug-out WOD "research." Now, Heroin� is in the slot... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #25

It's difficult to die from a heroin OD when no other substances are involved Major Nikon Apr 2016 #29

Yep. Alcohol is the biggest culprit: edema Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #30

Even that low number is seriously inflated Major Nikon Apr 2016 #32

Something is f'd up here... Rex Apr 2016 #54

I too favor a harm reduction approach with regards to things like heroin. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #42

Some people can't envision a world where someone doesn't tell them what they can and can't do Major Nikon Apr 2016 #59

I know. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #65

This thread is absolutely crazy! OhioBlue Apr 2016 #26

Just as real as the crack and meth epidemics, right? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #31

You should have seen the pile-on of an original DUer who dared to have an opinion... Hekate Apr 2016 #34

You can talk about addiction, but you should acknowledge that filling prisons with drug users- Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #37

You didn't listen to what Hillary learned, did you? That's what I mean about the DU response Hekate Apr 2016 #40

She can't even bring herself to answer a debate question about marijuana directly. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #41

What did she learn exactly? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #43

I saw it. OhioBlue Apr 2016 #56

Notice the OP never replied? snooper2 Apr 2016 #49

Some people get their amusement that way, but a look at his ... Hekate Apr 2016 #62

well, maybe he/she is in Houston dealing with the floods caused by FEMA snooper2 Apr 2016 #63

Baby Bou-Bou: SAVED by the drug war, when a SWAT Team threw a flash grenade in his crib! Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #39

... Major Nikon Apr 2016 #45

Man good to know all the kids who are dying in my hometown of Portland OR dilby Apr 2016 #46

This girl died because they threw her in jail for posession, and then ignored her. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #47

I agree 100% that people should not be in jail when their only crime is dilby Apr 2016 #50

I find it hard to believe the numbers went from 4K for all illegal drugs combined to 46K in 3 years. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #51

I think the 46,000 is not just heroin that would be heroin plus the 30,000 dilby Apr 2016 #55

I'm not really sure how promoting ignorance helps in that regard Major Nikon Apr 2016 #48

Can't help you, the person said the number of deaths from heroin was a lie. dilby Apr 2016 #52

So you really expect someone to disprove something that was never proven to begin with? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #57

I have no idea where they came up with that number. dilby Apr 2016 #58

You may want to look at those numbers closer Major Nikon Apr 2016 #61

Countering one allegation with another is as irrational as originating an allegation. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #70

Hitchens's razor Major Nikon Apr 2016 #71

What are you going on about? All over the road on this one. Rex Apr 2016 #53

Right. Check his Personal Profile for more info. Hekate Apr 2016 #64