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stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
118. Odd, I see no widespread blame for BHO's ownership of the loss
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:27 PM
Jun 2012

outta dems, and you haven't provided any examples of it.

All I've largely seen is disappointment over less participation in the race on his part than some would have desired, which could and perhaps would result in some measure of responsibility to him for the loss by them -- a minority no doubt -- but hardly the lion's share as your hollow declaration suggests.

Perhaps maybe the distinction is too subtle for you, or in the more likely alternative, you can't make the case that more of an effort on his part wouldn't have had an impact. Both camps are on equal footing here, since we'll never know.

Whether it would have been enough or not isn't the issue, but rather whether more involvement on his part would have had any.

And of course the suggestion that people "organize" is a no-brainer, since without concerted help from the leadership in DC this indicates, what other options are there besides resignation to defeat.

SO what we're left with, is some calling his efforts "token" in nature and effect, and others incapable of refuting that given the reasonable nature of it, exaggerating what they are saying in an effort to admonish them for it, because essentially it appears, BHO can do no wrong -- the implication on your part in this case for sure.

The biggest reasons for the loss based on the known facts is kochsucker money and the unpalatibility of the recall election period to too many.

So by all means, give us a top post declaring those that blame or took offense to Obama's token efforts are ignorant of those "facts".

If they aren't, then their complaints are more if not exclusively about his token efforts, not "blame" like he coulda overcome the what, 60% hurdle that thought the recall outta line from the onset?

"Tis far, far better...." is what they're complaining about, and his lack of it.

and no, that this is all the product of his political calculus doesn't matter either, since we don't know it was correct either.

For example, what happened in the black community after he evolved? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-boykin/black-community-gay-marriage_b_1567781.html Perhaps maybe another "evolution" on his part would have benefitted the WI "revolution" in ways only actually doing so coulda shown, no?





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Kicked and recommended. TheWraith Jun 2012 #1
Ridiculous. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #18
Thank you for your "concern." TheWraith Jun 2012 #21
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If a reply like that makes "great DUers" quit... SidDithers Jun 2012 #95
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Not this Du-er momrois Jun 2012 #117
"only benefit a small minority of voters until 2014" - Bullshit. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #30
TWO words............ Plucketeer Jun 2012 #38
How clever of you. Doesn't change the fact that Priestly's spreading BS. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #45
His dog ate his comfortable shoes, some dogs just wish unions would go away, can't blame Obama Dragonfli Jun 2012 #124
Children under college age were usually on the policy. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #57
Great that California has required coverage for pre-existing conditions, BUT... markpkessinger Jun 2012 #58
Then you must have had to buy your insurance independently. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #60
I am covered under my employer ... markpkessinger Jun 2012 #131
You are right, but the number of people who buy insurance for themselves JDPriestly Jun 2012 #132
Easy to say when you are not among those potentially affected n/t markpkessinger Jun 2012 #134
+1 deutsey Jun 2012 #86
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The knives are sharp quakerboy Jun 2012 #122
Just hoped for a little more than a Tweet about it, the night before. Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #2
You misunderestimate the power of the Tweet. progressoid Jun 2012 #15
He has a country and his own campaign to run, though. Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #19
And a freedom war too. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #32
What have you been occupied with? Son of Gob Jun 2012 #71
Centrism. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #73
You spelled Ratfucking wrong. Son of Gob Jun 2012 #76
Starts with a C, ends with a M. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #77
Starts with a T, ends with a L. Son of Gob Jun 2012 #79
You will not fool me into blaming DEM party leadership for DEM party failures! Dr Fate Jun 2012 #80
Where did you get your Ph.D in RF? Son of Gob Jun 2012 #81
You are just mad that centrism is working. Nt Dr Fate Jun 2012 #82
... SidDithers Jun 2012 #97
Those Predator drones aren't gonna assassinate anyone on their own! OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #129
Admit nothing would have been enough treestar Jun 2012 #100
Ahhhhhhh a voice of reason. DearAbby Jun 2012 #3
Do you really think Democrats are the ones trying to place blame? notadmblnd Jun 2012 #4
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I'm sure both disappointed Democrats and GOP trolls Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #20
Certainly not the 100 percent pro Union Centrists, who are not in power anyway. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #27
Weak sauce... SidDithers Jun 2012 #33
so long as we agree that we should get behind centrists... Dr Fate Jun 2012 #37
Sad, tired schtick... SidDithers Jun 2012 #41
In other words, you KNOW that Obama does fight hard for Unions. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #42
It's all he has Son of Gob Jun 2012 #72
I want DEMS to unite behind centrists. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #74
Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #91
They have recipes SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #43
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Agreed! Snarkoleptic Jun 2012 #6
And the Kochs DID NOT use their tax cut extensions to fund it. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #28
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Denial is a comforting brew. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2012 #10
100 OFA staffers paid to work in GOTV in WI is nothing? freshwest Jun 2012 #121
I'm referring to the potential power Obama has to influence outcome, Fire Walk With Me Jun 2012 #123
He made a statement supporting them last year. But it's pointless to argue. Minds are made up. freshwest Jun 2012 #125
I don't remember him doing that, thanks for telling me. It's better than nothing. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2012 #128
Not a crumb. And voter turnout wasn't what it should have been. I'm really tired of getting abused freshwest Jun 2012 #130
Centrism will march on, grim faced, determined. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #11
TO hell with fucking chearleaders! MNBrewer Jun 2012 #12
...maybe someday you'll get your revenge, person who can't even spell "cheerleader"... dionysus Jun 2012 #44
Misspelled sputtering outrage is the best sputtering outrage...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #105
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This was a referendum not just on Walker but also on Obama's economic policies. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #13
Walker outspent Barrett 8 to 1 Major Nikon Jun 2012 #14
it's silly to blame party failures on the party leadership. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #46
A party has to continue to exist and fight treestar Jun 2012 #101
yeah. Let's not blame the Koch brothers, Scott Walker, or the Supreme Court. lunatica Jun 2012 #16
Obama fights the Koch brothers all the time. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #23
Weak sauce...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #50
I don't blame DEM party failures on DEM party leadership. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #52
Fuck that "shake it off" bullshit. citizen blues Jun 2012 #17
blame the dumbass citizens of this formerly great state WestWisconsinDem Jun 2012 #22
sounds like a great campaign strategy for November too. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #24
you know what? WestWisconsinDem Jun 2012 #26
Exactly. This is a LOCAL issue- has nothing to do with the leader of the party. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #29
Blaming Obama for Wisconsin is like blaming the San Diego Chicken for a Padres loss n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2012 #25
Or like saying the Bush tax cut extensions freed up funds for the Kochs. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #31
Obama tried to oppose the Bush tax cuts ? You're joking, right ? stuart68 Jun 2012 #88
San Diego Chicken - interesting analogy for Obama ! stuart68 Jun 2012 #35
Stop blaming DEM party failures on DEM party leadership. NO FAIR. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #47
You're missing the point RufusTFirefly Jun 2012 #53
Exactly.The party leadership is a man in a feathered suit. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #54
All obedient Democrats prefer a feathered centrist mascot to a team leader, the mascot has spirit!! Dragonfli Jun 2012 #126
You're really working that chicken metaphor stuart68 Jun 2012 #87
Radical, huh :) stuart68 Jun 2012 #85
let the little BBI Jrs do as they please, tonight is Christmas for them. dionysus Jun 2012 #34
Sickening, isn't it... SidDithers Jun 2012 #36
There's always "Trash This Thread". GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #40
Yep, toxic little buggers. joshcryer Jun 2012 #69
K and R goclark Jun 2012 #39
It's obvious that this was going to be a very hard election, one that need Obama's support ilikeitthatway Jun 2012 #48
it's not fair to blame DEM party failures on DEM party leaders. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #49
. ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #51
Lol. We love our Barack and always will. Peregrine Took Jun 2012 #55
And aren't his wife and daughters adorable?!! n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2012 #56
heh SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #84
thankfully he didn't show up PatrynXX Jun 2012 #61
Obama is rightly keeping his eye on the BIG prize... AynRandCollectedSS Jun 2012 #62
It's the job of the DEM leadership to count votes, not fight for them. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #63
Weak sauce...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #99
Not only do I love your username treestar Jun 2012 #102
Obama was not supposed to do our job for us DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #64
DEM party failures have nothing to do with DEM party leadership. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #67
was that supposed to be snark? DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #89
Why should he get involved in a local fight? I don't blame him one bit for not coming here. AllyCat Jun 2012 #65
Exactly. Why should the party leaders support these obscure elections? Dr Fate Jun 2012 #68
What is your point? Upstream you say you are a centrist AllyCat Jun 2012 #90
He's not a centrist... SidDithers Jun 2012 #103
Thanks. I was unaware of his history. AllyCat Jun 2012 #108
We need to unite and stay on message flamingdem Jun 2012 #66
You want a scapegoat, 36% of union members voted for Walker krawhitham Jun 2012 #70
We should get rid of them, not the party strategists at the top. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #75
AGREED Mr Dixon Jun 2012 #106
This is close to the ratio of Republican union membership Major Nikon Jun 2012 #114
exactly right AtomicKitten Jun 2012 #133
Well.. ananda Jun 2012 #78
K&R treestar Jun 2012 #92
AGREED Mr Dixon Jun 2012 #94
Obama is separate from WI state politics. Obama is leading above Romney there. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #96
There is nobody to blame but the party Jafo232 Jun 2012 #104
The blame lies in a system that is corrupt & compromised to the core. CrispyQ Jun 2012 #110
Kick... SidDithers Jun 2012 #115
What's done is done and it's time to focus on the GE. Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #116
Odd, I see no widespread blame for BHO's ownership of the loss stupidicus Jun 2012 #118
Hey! There was a tweet! deaniac21 Jun 2012 #119
it would have been BAD for obama to have supported it more. pansypoo53219 Jun 2012 #127
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