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JoePhilly

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74. Not really.

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:27 PM

Jun 2012

Many Americans think that a small business owner makes more than 250k, but less than 1 million.

Obama won't be the one clamoring to make that deal, but the GOP probably will. The bump to 1 million should get the needed blue dog votes ... AND ... Obama may be able to get a few other elements in the deal. The big money in the Bush tax cuts exists above the 10 million mark.

Obama has the winning card if we reach the lame duck. The GOP may be willing to give up some other things. And so, I can see him uping the cap to 1M, but also getting something else in return. Obama always maintains the fall back of doing nothing and letting them all expire, win or lose. If that happens, the GOP has a lot of work to reinstate any of it.

And ... I'm a little surprised you don't debate the other key points I made as to why Obama allowed the full set to be extended back in 2010.

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Obama: Bush Tax Cuts For Wealthy Will Not Be Extended, Period [View all] kentuck Jun 2012 OP

Translation: "Oh please Republicans, don't throw me in the briar patch." TheWraith Jun 2012 #1

hehe cwazy wabbit Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #35

I can't help but wince at someone comparing Obama to Bre'r Rabbit Scootaloo Jun 2012 #96

Most people forget that it was so racist and focus on how it just means he's being wiley. nt gilpo Jun 2012 #102

Stuff that in your craw, Bill Clinton. MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #2

And Summers! abelenkpe Jun 2012 #3

I second that! Suck on that, Billy Boy. Arugula Latte Jun 2012 #25

Bill and Hill invented the DLC. DCKit Jun 2012 #103

of course, Repubs will not agree to extend taxcuts on those under $250,000 kentuck Jun 2012 #4

Color me cynical NV Whino Jun 2012 #5

I don't believe him and if indeed the tax breaks are ended I will read byeya Jun 2012 #32

Supposedly, he went along the last time... Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #6

Was the justification publicly used for the first extension of the tax cuts? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #12

Yertle & Crew held long-term unemployment insurance hostage. HughBeaumont Jun 2012 #14

"Job cremators" aquart Jun 2012 #37

I agree with ya whole heartedly! demosincebirth Jun 2012 #34

"Remotely progressive"? TheWraith Jun 2012 #52

He's ending the wars and reducing the military budget? You must have a sense of humor. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #58

"Universal Health Care"? bvar22 Jun 2012 #91

There is no universal healthcare and the wars go on. morningfog Jun 2012 #98

in an election year it's not relevant that the Rs can demagogue a "tax hike" on "everyone"? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #80

Some good news today. I'd drink to that... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #7

i will gladly give up mine if he ends theirs leftyohiolib Jun 2012 #8

Go ahead and kick the ball Charlie Brown. We wont extend Bush tax cuts this time. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #9

hehee SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #61

Fool me twice, shame on... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #87

Eh, eh, you fool me......you cant get fooled again. That's an old Tenn saying or at least rhett o rick Jun 2012 #89

Be prepared FreeJoe Jun 2012 #10

So his spokesman says he "has been clear in his opposition" to extending such tax cuts. Mere words. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #11

Meaning, I'm afraid, that he will go along with Repug again lark Jun 2012 #53

Good! Waiting For Everyman Jun 2012 #13

That's what he should have said last time. Martin Eden Jun 2012 #15

In my opinion, it is why we lost the House... kentuck Jun 2012 #16

Yep Martin Eden Jun 2012 #22

We had already lost the House by the time the tax cuts were extended, weren't they? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #23

Yes. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #24

The actual vote was after the election... Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #26

If it did happen before the election Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #31

It was debated before the election but... kentuck Jun 2012 #49

The Dem House and Senate PUNTED!!!! JoePhilly Jun 2012 #39

Thank you so much!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #47

You are right, of course, that is why we lost the House. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #57

he did Enrique Jun 2012 #30

Does this sound familiar? wilsonbooks Jun 2012 #17

Because they can? And it works? SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #65

'I will not vote for a bill that doesn't include a public option'. Marr Jun 2012 #18

This sounds familiar. Haven't we heard this before? badtoworse Jun 2012 #19

I hope that is so. AtomicKitten Jun 2012 #20

Man this thread got them out in droves quick snooper2 Jun 2012 #21

"Them"? You mean Democrats that were against the tax cuts in 2010? n/t Dawgs Jun 2012 #28

People who give a shit about actual policy, rather than just Marr Jun 2012 #56

must be talking about the GDIs that believed obama the first time he said this frylock Jun 2012 #84

By "them", do you mean people who've heard those very words before? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #88

So who's going to support Obama and get out and protest? Zalatix Jun 2012 #27

I don't believe it. Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #29

Well, it's true he hasn't heard from Tim Geithner yet... kentuck Jun 2012 #33

Even if my taxes go up so that the idle rich pay more, MAKE IT HAPPEN. n/t davidwparker Jun 2012 #36

Assuming he's reelected, BO's lame duck status gives him a lot of insulation. Flatulo Jun 2012 #38

There's Our President!!! nt daaron Jun 2012 #40

Bill, THE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH ARE CAUSING THE ECONOMIC PROBLEM! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2012 #41

End the tax cuts for ALL Americans! theaocp Jun 2012 #42

This is how I feel. Xyzse Jun 2012 #43

It's interesting how there's little talk theaocp Jun 2012 #45

Exactly. I see a lot of Obama bashing, but NOTHING about the extension of unemployment Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #51

I'll believe it when I see it peace frog Jun 2012 #44

I find it interesting that the same people in this thread who are trashing Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #46

Good. They don't deserve the breaks anymore. Initech Jun 2012 #48

They never did deserve them. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #68

Election year liberalism. Courtesy Flush Jun 2012 #50

It seems we have a short memory. He didnt want to extend the tax cuts last time either, but rhett o rick Jun 2012 #54

See post #39 JoePhilly Jun 2012 #55

Aw, let them have their uninformed "and this time I mean it" jabs. great white snark Jun 2012 #67

They are running out of such jabs ... JoePhilly Jun 2012 #69

What do you think he will do, JoePhilly? kentuck Jun 2012 #71

See my post #39, which was a direct response to your post #16 JoePhilly Jun 2012 #72

It's a bit contradictory... kentuck Jun 2012 #73

Not really. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #74

To be honest... kentuck Jun 2012 #76

Again, no. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #78

"Maybe you think that is OK? " kentuck Jun 2012 #81

Woohoo!! Does this mean we're eventually going to get a public option? Dawgs Jun 2012 #85

He didn't want to extend the tax cuts last time? Yea, that's what he said. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #59

They won't be extended until the are. Javaman Jun 2012 #60

But tax cuts magicly pay for themselves, don't they ???? penndragon69 Jun 2012 #62

Yes, if you cut a lot of spending... kentuck Jun 2012 #66

i've seen this movie.. frylock Jun 2012 #63

Elect Democrats Eatacig Jun 2012 #64

Past is prologue The Wizard Jun 2012 #70

On DU, if past is prologue ... JoePhilly Jun 2012 #75

Hope you are correct(NT) The Wizard Jun 2012 #77

Me too ... see my post #39 as to why I think Obama has a plan JoePhilly Jun 2012 #79

From your post: kentuck Jun 2012 #83

Don't need to interpret it. Its pretty clear. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #105

So it's a Chess Move® TransitJohn Jun 2012 #101

What's your chess rating? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #104

Interesting how you always ignore everything else. Dawgs Jun 2012 #97

Spare me. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #106

I'll believe it when I see it. n/t ceile Jun 2012 #82

Whatever. He's been center-right on every issue regarding the economy. Dawgs Jun 2012 #86

Bite your tongue. Center-Right is better than full fascism. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #90

Gosh...that sounds so familiar. bvar22 Jun 2012 #92

I'll believe it when I see it. He doesn't have the balls. Hotler Jun 2012 #93

... woo me with science Jun 2012 #94

he means only for now. Wait until the debt limit debate starts again. bbgrunt Jun 2012 #95

I'll believe it when I see it. I've heard this before. morningfog Jun 2012 #99

The Congressional Repubs will simply tie them to Obama's pet payroll tax cuts TransitJohn Jun 2012 #100