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pampango

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34. The polls I post are Pew polls. "Misguided" is in the eye of the beholder. Protectionism has a lot
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jun 2012

of bipartisan potential once you get past republican politicians and their institutions. Their base is your buddy whether you want to realize it or not.

Look, we trade less (much less) than any other developed country and yet you blame foreigners for all of our job loss problems. Does that mean you "have a problem with foreigners"? I don't know, but you sure spend a lot of time posting about them. I realize that the simple answer for you is to erect high walls (tariffs) around the country and everything will be fine.

As I'm sure you know from 1880 to 1980 republicans were the high-tariff party and Democrats were the low-tariff party. The whole GATT/WTO, IMF, World Bank structure was created under Roosevelt and Truman and the republicans fought them every step of the way. Then in 1981 reagan pushed the republican party to becoming a low-tariff party, too. (In a side note, tariffs actually increased during reagan's 8 years, regardless of his rhetoric.) At the same time he increased republican pressure to cut taxes for the rich, deregulate corporations and destroy unions and the safety net.

The truth is that when you look around the world the countries with the strongest middle classes, unions, safety nets - basically the most progressive countries in the world - all trade much more than we do. If low-tariff trade (or "free trade&quot really caused the economic devastation that you contend, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Germany and many other progressive countries would be much worse off than the US. Since we trade much less than they do, our middle class should be strong, our safety net in excellent condition and our unions strong and growing.

While progressive countries embrace trade what they do not do is slash taxes and make them more regressive; emasculated unions; shred safety nets and deregulate everything under the sun particularly the financial industry. Those who contend that a country can't have strong unions, an effective safety net, a thriving middle class and effective regulation and trade a great deal with the rest of the world, is ignoring what is actually happening in the rest of the world.

I have a big problem with protectionism. I think that European liberals, Canadian liberals, Australian liberals will echo my sentiment. For a 100 years the republican party believed in high tariffs. The right in Europe and elsewhere still does. The idea that liberals seek to build walls against "others" while conservatives seek to tear them down, goes against my grain and that of most liberals in the world.

I see that you are now merely judging me as unpatriotic towards American workers because I refuse to build walls around the country. If you are the 'patriotism judge', I can live with that. (I doubt that Canadian, Australian and European liberals consider themselves to be unpatriotic simply because they do not promote high tariffs.)

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Yknow no one is going to say yes to that. abelenkpe Jun 2012 #1
My point exactly. If no one wants to experience it then why would we not oppose it vigorously? Zalatix Jun 2012 #3
(hands up with a double-bird) HopeHoops Jun 2012 #2
Depends. Do I have that thing where Jeff Bridges makes my Hyundai payments if I lose my job??? Romulox Jun 2012 #4
I wouldn't, and I wouldn't want anybody else's to go either Populist_Prole Jun 2012 #5
Bug the hell out of politicians on this 'free trade' crap. Zalatix Jun 2012 #15
Short answer: hell no!!!!!!!!! Initech Jun 2012 #6
How about a show of hands for letting your job go to a right-to-work state like Alabama? pampango Jun 2012 #7
If you actually subscribed to the theories you present, you'd have two hands and both feet up. Romulox Jun 2012 #9
You volunteered me, but didn't exactly say where you stand. pampango Jun 2012 #11
Many of us already live in right-to-work states. Your woefully off-topic question is off-topic. Zalatix Jun 2012 #12
I thought the topic was losing your job to outsourcing. My reply is only 'off-topic' pampango Jun 2012 #13
You're still off-topic. The topic is about jobs going overseas, not another state. Zalatix Jun 2012 #14
"You don't even bother to deny" that "you support discrimination against American workers". pampango Jun 2012 #22
Hmm, you don't like it when your own debate tactics are used against you, eh? Zalatix Jun 2012 #23
The polls I post are Pew polls. "Misguided" is in the eye of the beholder. Protectionism has a lot pampango Jun 2012 #34
And there it is. Anyone who disagrees with pamps is similar to both McCarthy and the Euro Right. Romulox Jun 2012 #35
Are you arguing that the Euro Right does not favor high tariffs? Or that teabaggers do not pampango Jun 2012 #37
Still trying with your mythical FDR/free trade propaganda historical revisionism? brentspeak Jun 2012 #40
Pew, Schmew, your polls are still inaccurate no matter how many times you post them. Zalatix Jun 2012 #36
Oh, just post some crap about how Marine Le Pen once expressed some sympathy for workers, Romulox Jun 2012 #19
*crickets* Zalatix Jun 2012 #29
You'll get the 'you hate foreigners' smoke screen in response. Zalatix Jun 2012 #18
She's about the worst spokesperson for her cause that can be found, which makes me smile. Romulox Jun 2012 #21
There is no reason for any Congressperson whose district is outside a right-to-work state... Chan790 Jun 2012 #44
Mine did. Trained the guy who got it, too. Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #8
Maybe it's time for "Workers of the World UNITE!". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #10
I've been saying this over a year now... LadyInAZ Jun 2012 #24
Workers Solidarity is sooooo old fashioned and it threatens the establishment. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #25
Part of the reason you're missing a 'perfect storm' of outrage from outsourcing... randome Jun 2012 #16
India begs to differ about IT, especially on the low end. Zalatix Jun 2012 #17
LOL. Have you *seen* any recent newspapers? Romulox Jun 2012 #20
What's a 'newspaper'? randome Jun 2012 #27
Mine is over seas... AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #26
Aflac? Zalatix Jun 2012 #28
The company AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #31
Oh okay, yeah I was wondering if your employer was Aflac. Zalatix Jun 2012 #32
Real Americans never listen to imported music... LanternWaste Jun 2012 #30
Already did--six years ago. Ship of Fools Jun 2012 #33
I wouldn't. kentauros Jun 2012 #38
I am unemployed, and would be happy to see my status sent overseas. eom mrmpa Jun 2012 #39
I'd love to see foreigners have jobs. Lots of jobs. Zalatix Jun 2012 #41
It's not really your job The2ndWheel Jun 2012 #42
It is an American job. It is my job. Zalatix Jun 2012 #46
I am retired and I hate doing dishes so I am saying yes. They can take my dishes anytime they want. jwirr Jun 2012 #43
6 times and counting. I haven't had a choice yet. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #45
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