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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
36. Pew, Schmew, your polls are still inaccurate no matter how many times you post them.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:19 PM
Jun 2012

Democrats are still turning against you. You cite polls, I cite what happens every time you and I discuss this issue. You keep bringing up polls to show how popular offshoring is with Democrats, but when it comes time to bat you always come up on the short end of the stick. Why is that? Where are these Democrats who agree with you? I contend that they only exist in your Pew polls. Show 'em. Bring 'em on. Whatever Democrats you bring whom you think support offshoring, I can turn them against you simply by asking the question in the OP.

And your base is the Koch Brothers and the US Chamber of Commerce whether you like it or not.

Another problem here is that you keep evading the facts.

For instance, I'm sure that you know that since we came up with GATT and NAFTA, Americans have been losing their jobs in droves. Wages have stagnated and job growth has LAGGED behind population growth. The fact is, jobs have been leaving the country more than jobs have come here from elsewhere. You want to defend this and you want to ensure it keeps happening.

As for your arguments about who trades the most, no country in the world runs the kind of trade deficits that the United States does. The problem, and you know this, is not trade. It is our trade deficits. You, sir, will most certainly not address this when (or if) you respond. What is killing America is trade deficits. Another fact you will probably evade discussion of, is the fact that tariffs, currency manipulation, and other barriers to trade, are not necessarily detrimental to a country. Look at China, their middle class has EXPLODED because of their trade barriers. Germany has quite a few protectionist measures in place as well. You know this.

Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and other countries erect trade barriers by pegging their currencies to ours. They are also quite successful. I bet you weren't counting on me knowing that when you posted your half-truths about liberal economies.

Once again, you have nothing to offer American workers. We are running huge trade deficits and this is costing Americans jobs, plus it's devaluing our dollar and raising our debt. You have no counter to this, because it is the truth.

America is running a massive non-oil trade deficit.
Trade deficits kill jobs.
Trade deficits devalue the currency.
Trade deficits put a nation in serious debt.

What have you to say to those basic facts?

PS: Europe is in a HELL of a lot of financial trouble. Ever wonder why? It's largely because of offshoring.

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Yknow no one is going to say yes to that. abelenkpe Jun 2012 #1
My point exactly. If no one wants to experience it then why would we not oppose it vigorously? Zalatix Jun 2012 #3
(hands up with a double-bird) HopeHoops Jun 2012 #2
Depends. Do I have that thing where Jeff Bridges makes my Hyundai payments if I lose my job??? Romulox Jun 2012 #4
I wouldn't, and I wouldn't want anybody else's to go either Populist_Prole Jun 2012 #5
Bug the hell out of politicians on this 'free trade' crap. Zalatix Jun 2012 #15
Short answer: hell no!!!!!!!!! Initech Jun 2012 #6
How about a show of hands for letting your job go to a right-to-work state like Alabama? pampango Jun 2012 #7
If you actually subscribed to the theories you present, you'd have two hands and both feet up. Romulox Jun 2012 #9
You volunteered me, but didn't exactly say where you stand. pampango Jun 2012 #11
Many of us already live in right-to-work states. Your woefully off-topic question is off-topic. Zalatix Jun 2012 #12
I thought the topic was losing your job to outsourcing. My reply is only 'off-topic' pampango Jun 2012 #13
You're still off-topic. The topic is about jobs going overseas, not another state. Zalatix Jun 2012 #14
"You don't even bother to deny" that "you support discrimination against American workers". pampango Jun 2012 #22
Hmm, you don't like it when your own debate tactics are used against you, eh? Zalatix Jun 2012 #23
The polls I post are Pew polls. "Misguided" is in the eye of the beholder. Protectionism has a lot pampango Jun 2012 #34
And there it is. Anyone who disagrees with pamps is similar to both McCarthy and the Euro Right. Romulox Jun 2012 #35
Are you arguing that the Euro Right does not favor high tariffs? Or that teabaggers do not pampango Jun 2012 #37
Still trying with your mythical FDR/free trade propaganda historical revisionism? brentspeak Jun 2012 #40
Pew, Schmew, your polls are still inaccurate no matter how many times you post them. Zalatix Jun 2012 #36
Oh, just post some crap about how Marine Le Pen once expressed some sympathy for workers, Romulox Jun 2012 #19
*crickets* Zalatix Jun 2012 #29
You'll get the 'you hate foreigners' smoke screen in response. Zalatix Jun 2012 #18
She's about the worst spokesperson for her cause that can be found, which makes me smile. Romulox Jun 2012 #21
There is no reason for any Congressperson whose district is outside a right-to-work state... Chan790 Jun 2012 #44
Mine did. Trained the guy who got it, too. Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #8
Maybe it's time for "Workers of the World UNITE!". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #10
I've been saying this over a year now... LadyInAZ Jun 2012 #24
Workers Solidarity is sooooo old fashioned and it threatens the establishment. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #25
Part of the reason you're missing a 'perfect storm' of outrage from outsourcing... randome Jun 2012 #16
India begs to differ about IT, especially on the low end. Zalatix Jun 2012 #17
LOL. Have you *seen* any recent newspapers? Romulox Jun 2012 #20
What's a 'newspaper'? randome Jun 2012 #27
Mine is over seas... AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #26
Aflac? Zalatix Jun 2012 #28
The company AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #31
Oh okay, yeah I was wondering if your employer was Aflac. Zalatix Jun 2012 #32
Real Americans never listen to imported music... LanternWaste Jun 2012 #30
Already did--six years ago. Ship of Fools Jun 2012 #33
I wouldn't. kentauros Jun 2012 #38
I am unemployed, and would be happy to see my status sent overseas. eom mrmpa Jun 2012 #39
I'd love to see foreigners have jobs. Lots of jobs. Zalatix Jun 2012 #41
It's not really your job The2ndWheel Jun 2012 #42
It is an American job. It is my job. Zalatix Jun 2012 #46
I am retired and I hate doing dishes so I am saying yes. They can take my dishes anytime they want. jwirr Jun 2012 #43
6 times and counting. I haven't had a choice yet. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #45
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