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Tarheel_Dem

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43. Take to the streets if you're unhappy. Occupy, for a time, seemed it was a possible answer. But...

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:06 PM

Jun 2012

then the Ron Paul & other unsavory forces took that over. What the "disillusioned" progressive community fails to do is offer up favorable alternatives to what the masses want. If the rank-n-file of the Democratic Party are satisfied with our Democrats, then the minority voices have few options, other than to attempt to sandbag the party from within.

We heard this same noise in 2000, when Al Gore (of all people) wasn't pure enough, and we wound up with Bush II as a result. Gee, I wonder how many wars we could've prevented had some people gotten over themselves, and supported Al Gore? Of course, his running mate was an asshole, but Gore was a healthy and relatively young man who would have lead the country for two terms, possibly building on the successes of the Clinton administration.

I can't advise people as to what to do with their own money, but I'm trying to keep track of those who have announced they won't support the DNC, DSCC, DCCC, etc., just in case I need to remind them that they since they didn't invest, they don't get a say in where other people's money is spent. Is that reasonable?

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HEY DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP! I know you troll this place. Listen up. [View all] Matariki Jun 2012 OP

"You had a House AND Senate majority for two years." Well, not really.... Scuba Jun 2012 #1

Yeah, and they could have done something about that stupid "super-majority" thing too. Matariki Jun 2012 #4

The Obama administration couldn't force the Senate to enact new rules. pnwmom Jun 2012 #28

And I wasn't talking about the Obama administration. Matariki Jun 2012 #40

Harry thought the Repubs would cower and back off when he made the filibuster threat rustydog Jun 2012 #45

What about using cloture texshelters Jun 2012 #73

It's never been about the "Dem's growing a spine." they roll over b/c that is what they are paid Dustlawyer Jun 2012 #120

The Democratic Senate leadership quakerboy Jun 2012 #42

The Senate Dems could have changed their own rules. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #72

Thanks, you are correct texshelters Jun 2012 #75

amen. bbgrunt Jun 2012 #93

THIS! Agony Jun 2012 #99

Excellent. October Jun 2012 #121

+ a bajillion. SomeGuyInEagan Jun 2012 #140

correct n/t librechik Jun 2012 #152

You mean Obama had ZERO influence over Harry Reid? Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #79

The could have framed the debates and narratives better. nt shcrane71 Jun 2012 #6

We have to appeal to emotions like they do. Logic is lost on the low-info voters AllyCat Jun 2012 #106

Yet way north WI went blue... shcrane71 Jun 2012 #115

That never bothered the Republicans... bvar22 Jun 2012 #10

What you said. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2012 #15

Agreed, more spine would be good.... Magoo48 Jun 2012 #56

I know lackluster ineffectiveness.. sendero Jun 2012 #57

I have said the same thing for some time.. The Dems and the Republicans crunch60 Jun 2012 #64

the republacrats nineteen50 Jun 2012 #68

It wasn't the filibuster that stopped progress obxhead Jun 2012 #11

Bingo! (nt) Puzzler Jun 2012 #16

That was how the rules were written. And the Senate, not Obama, wrote the rules. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #30

Specifically, what rule was written this way? And can you support this, if at all, with a link? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #63

And once again, the OP is NOT addressing Obama. AllyCat Jun 2012 #108

The filibuster doesn't work that way. It's not like in the movie. BlueCaliDem Jun 2012 #96

In other words, you are in favor of Congress wasting time. randome Jun 2012 #110

The filibuster never worked that way jeff47 Jun 2012 #118

Exactly! Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #145

Plus the Dem with a brain problem couldn't attend and then there was Liebermann and his threats to freshwest Jun 2012 #14

Oh NO!!! bvar22 Jun 2012 #21

I lived in that era and this ain't the same. freshwest Jun 2012 #24

And more ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #35

Thanks. MLK is gone, too. Sadly, that era was before decades of GOP rule. freshwest Jun 2012 #39

a whole different era? bvar22 Jun 2012 #49

I remember DNC Chicago 68. Just after the murder of our front runner Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #107

Who said anything about NICER? sendero Jun 2012 #112

What makes you think I didn't know that you said? Is tearing down Democrats now going to help bring freshwest Jun 2012 #131

LBJ would have kicked Lieberman's balls through the hifiguy Jun 2012 #25

See my comment #35 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #36

But that would be covered. 'You leak any embarrassing video, and guess what we've got ready for sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #133

I disagree that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #136

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!! deaniac21 Jun 2012 #37

Yes, from all I've read about him, Lieberman would have been afraid to come back to DC after sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #54

+1 davidwparker Jun 2012 #34

HELL MUTHAFUCKIN YEAH! datasuspect Jun 2012 #101

"Democrats decided the 111th Congress wasn't good or fast enough, so they sat at home" OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #74

Interesting argument. The supremes steal in 2000, when progressive voted in droves, were even freshwest Jun 2012 #80

Wow. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #135

Oh, and PS, OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #137

Not to mention the "Democratic" *cough* blue dogs... polichick Jun 2012 #22

Supermajority is the excuse. As you can see, at the beginning of the next session, davidwparker Jun 2012 #32

True. And because the Dem Party is more tolerant of others' opinions, it takes a super Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #33

This argument makes no sense. What you are saying is that Republicans in the sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #38

No Sabrina, because when you try to explain bullshit, you have nothing to point at but pieces of Dragonfli Jun 2012 #51

I have to agree, I have yet to have anyone explain this to me in a logical manner, minus the talking sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #62

The funny part is that according to such "logic" we should seek the power of the minority instead. Dragonfli Jun 2012 #66

Yes of course, only republicans can achieve anything with a majority. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #78

Democrats chose to abide by the existing rules. That was a choice -- a wrong choice. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #81

never stopped the Republicans 0rganism Jun 2012 #89

Al Franken was help up by the Minnesota Republicans and their stone walling. RC Jun 2012 #103

Re-read my post; I should have said "Minnesota Republicans" for clarity. Thanks. Scuba Jun 2012 #105

The Dems could have changed this bonniebgood Jun 2012 #116

Can't disagree. Welcome to DU bonniebgood. Scuba Jun 2012 #119

You're right. They had it for four years and did nothing that wasn't what the republicans wanted. nt Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #130

Bush never had a supermajority either, which is why the Senate never gave him what he wanted. racaulk Jun 2012 #148

Well said and I agree with you!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #2

Shouldn't that be lurk, not troll? hedgehog Jun 2012 #3

The way they treat their base sometimes, I'm not so sure. Matariki Jun 2012 #5

I told dccc@dccc.org Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #7

Your a hard man Pecker! obliviously Jun 2012 #12

lol...nice. nt U4ikLefty Jun 2012 #91

That's what you told 'em? I hope folks remember your post when the screeching begins about $$$$. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #19

And how do you suggest getting their attention? Matariki Jun 2012 #29

Take to the streets if you're unhappy. Occupy, for a time, seemed it was a possible answer. But... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #43

Ron Paul has taken over occupy? Dragonfli Jun 2012 #84

I saw the signs, and drew my own conclusions. Much like the tinfoil theories about the.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #85

You will have to excuse my lack of political hack training, but is that hack speak for "you pulled Dragonfli Jun 2012 #87

I didn't "discredit the occupiers". They didn't need my help. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #88

If one supports the 1% that would be the inevitable reaction, we are sorry for the inconvenience Dragonfli Jun 2012 #90

Have at it. See ya! By the way, I have no special affinity for the 1%, but I don't much care for.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #92

Typical smear of Occupy U4ikLefty Jun 2012 #94

Dig that poster's description of Bernie Sanders... Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #111

That's wonderful. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #126

Occupy has only begun LiberalLovinLug Jun 2012 #154

I have told the national Dem groups the same. Also, the same message goes to the prominent .... .... northoftheborder Jun 2012 #128

That's pretty much what I told them wryter2000 Jun 2012 #138

Don't look at me, I'm too old to be "the person of interest" in their debacles. DCKit Jun 2012 #8

kr. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #9

I for one am sick and tired of the do nothing congress! april Jun 2012 #13

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #17

This is Democratic Underground...not anarchists central...why don't you go away? rfranklin Jun 2012 #20

Perhaps you should refamiliarize yourself with the TOS you agreed to? Otherwise, why post here? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #23

DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP! = Washington Generals PufPuf23 Jun 2012 #18

exactly, it is a game with a predetermined outcome and we have been fools for falling for it Dragonfli Jun 2012 #53

Debbie says this is a dry run for November. jerseyjack Jun 2012 #26

huh? Matariki Jun 2012 #31

I think she really said, "A dry rub". Fuddnik Jun 2012 #61

More like dry heaves. gkhouston Jun 2012 #76

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #27

Truer words were never spoken. Cleita Jun 2012 #41

I delete them especially today LittleGirl Jun 2012 #44

The Democratic Party needs to march in step Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #46

They couldn't overrule Citizens United. geek tragedy Jun 2012 #47

Deleted post creeksneakers2 Jun 2012 #83

Well said Oilwellian Jun 2012 #48

lolz JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #50

LOLZ "my dear" laundry_queen Jun 2012 #95

I think you win the award for "the most condescending post ever". Javaman Jun 2012 #104

Wow - this is rather insulting to our community. myrna minx Jun 2012 #109

WELL!! Kurovski Jun 2012 #144

Oh dear. We wouldn't want a repeat of last year's unpleasantness. myrna minx Jun 2012 #161

Thanks for the buttload of... 99Forever Jun 2012 #114

Yet the politicians and those involved keep getting it all wrong... /nt October Jun 2012 #122

Something tells me you were a ground level nobody, Marr Jun 2012 #125

LOL. Thanks. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #129

I've only done state level stuff, for the most part. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #134

wow, i feel so insignificant, will you still allow my vote to count? turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #142

Ok, whatever. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #143

LIkely before your birth turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #151

I see. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #156

Every VOICE counts-in spite of Corporations turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #159

I'd rather encourage action than support inaction JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #162

The reality is probably somewhere in the middle. Kurovski Jun 2012 #147

lolz JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #155

Come out for pot legalization and ending the drug war. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #52

The sad thing is, we on DU have been posting this same shit since presidential election theft 2000. MoonRiver Jun 2012 #55

I understand how it can feel that way, but things are changing. Kurovski Jun 2012 #149

You need to understand the concept of good cop bad cop. zeemike Jun 2012 #58

Disappointed danbeee46 Jun 2012 #59

They did do what they could with those two years treestar Jun 2012 #60

congress can overrule the supreme court? spanone Jun 2012 #65

Uh, they had non-stop filibustering for two years. nt valerief Jun 2012 #67

I want to hear solutions on how we are going to counter the Koch Bros, etc. jillan Jun 2012 #69

If Democrats don't fight for real campaign finance reform texshelters Jun 2012 #70

I want to hear what you plan on doing about CAMPAIGN FINANCE and CITIZEN'S UNITED. Maineman Jun 2012 #71

This is what we all need to focus on! Occupy, Dem's, Progressives etc. all need to repeat Dustlawyer Jun 2012 #127

The thing is, the Dems' corporate wing might be the next big thing for corporate America. Marr Jun 2012 #77

We have been watching that happen since at least the early nineties Dragonfli Jun 2012 #86

Well, you may be right. Marr Jun 2012 #124

Agreed. And the excuses are wearing very thin. n/t Fearless Jun 2012 #82

HEY DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP! I know you troll this place. Listen up. Andrew67 Jun 2012 #97

K&R. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #98

+63 Million. corkhead Jun 2012 #100

the only thing i want to know: datasuspect Jun 2012 #102

My sentiments exactly. Rec #200 trof Jun 2012 #113

Good on you. I got the same emails and told them essentially the same thing. n/t whathehell Jun 2012 #117

"Unsubscribe" October Jun 2012 #123

CITIZEN'S UNITED was decided on January 21, 2010, we had already lost the house krawhitham Jun 2012 #132

No action by White House on Citizens United? AndyA Jun 2012 #139

They have also done NOTHING about Election Security and Voter Access. bvar22 Jun 2012 #150

+1 Matariki Jun 2012 #158

Because they don't want the money to DO shit ... Myrina Jun 2012 #141

I used to get all those emails until they extended the B*sh tax cuts harun Jun 2012 #146

ROFLMAO. Yeah, and the Pope is watching too! L. Coyote Jun 2012 #153

"better".... so far it ain't looking so good fascisthunter Jun 2012 #157

Sure, That 1% is pretty high maintenance. Kurovski Jun 2012 #160