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TeddyR

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60. Why do you care if the murder is committed with a gun or a knife?

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:53 AM

Apr 2016

It isn't the tool that matters but the fact that someone was killed. And you know as well as I do that a murder has vastly different underlying causes (usually) than a suicide, and that each murder also has vastly different causes - the person who robs and shoots someone for his wallet isn't committing the crime for the same reason as someone who shoots his wife because he's abusive. But if you have some solutions that will help lower crime and prevent suicide then I'm all for it. But blaming "gunz" is both illogical and ignores the real issues - a gun didn't jump off the couch and shoot someone and the existence of guns isn't causing gang members to shoot and kill other gang members or civilians (and here in the Northern Virginia area the gang members are killing each other with knives and rocks when they don't have guns). Nor are guns causing depressed people to kill themselves.

You say you want to reduce the overall number of guns. Reduce to what? What do you think is acceptable? Is everyone limited to a single firearm, or five? How do you determine who does and does not get a gun?

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20 years of data show Austrailias gun control laws work [View all] Takket Apr 2016 OP

What was the rate 30 years ago? Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #1

I guess you're wrong Major Nikon Apr 2016 #14

well done. zappaman Apr 2016 #69

If you are into post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #89

Sorry, that rate of decrease is similar in other countries, like the U.S. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #72

What country is similar to 72%? Major Nikon Apr 2016 #93

"similar to 72%": You want specific similarity? Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #98

So I'll take your response as you can't provide one Major Nikon Apr 2016 #103

How bout that drop in the U.S. rate, Major! And guns... increased. NT Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #205

... Major Nikon Apr 2016 #206

Play as you may, what Was the U.S. drop? Significant? Related to guns in any way? Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #207

I asked you first Major Nikon Apr 2016 #209

"post hoc, ergo propter hoc" rock Apr 2016 #172

Ergo, my point is proper. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #204

America's has dropped by 50% Prism Apr 2016 #118

America also implemented a massive crime bill in 1994 Major Nikon Apr 2016 #150

So, the drop in crime was due to incarceration, not guns or gun laws? Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #211

Psst, sarisataka Apr 2016 #217

Perhaps I am looking at it wrong, sarisataka Apr 2016 #83

Gun control did not visibly change the trend of the curve of homicides in Australia Albertoo May 2016 #334

US gun murders are down 50% since 1993 Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #2

As a realist, I agree with what you are saying Victor_c3 Apr 2016 #23

The 1994 Crime Bill? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #24

Here's an interesting statistic...US gun deaths are 10.54 per 100,000 Human101948 Apr 2016 #198

That US rate includes suicides....Australia's suicide rate is 12 per 100,000-not including murders. EX500rider Apr 2016 #256

America's suicide rate is 13 per 100,000 with approximately half by gun... Human101948 May 2016 #259

If guns drove suicides rates then Japan's wouldn't be amoung the highest in the world..... EX500rider May 2016 #271

I was talking aboutstripping out the suicides... Human101948 May 2016 #292

The US non-gun murder rate is above Australia's murder rate. EX500rider May 2016 #312

How does the US stack up for the same item period? Lee-Lee Apr 2016 #3

Yet last year was a record year for gun sales in Australia hack89 Apr 2016 #4

You forgot a paragraph. Old Crow Apr 2016 #5

Didn't the same thing happen in America? hack89 Apr 2016 #8

It isn't that "It Doesn't Work" Indydem Apr 2016 #6

I'd be happy if we enforced the 2nd Amendment. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #11

An honest question for you. hack89 Apr 2016 #13

Your question is since we never enforced it... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #17

If the people who wrote the 2A meant to restrict gun ownership to militias hack89 Apr 2016 #21

The colonies had just conducted a revolution... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #28

The BOR was based on the English Bill of Rights hack89 Apr 2016 #32

Perhaps because the founding fathers weren't omniscient? n/t MrModerate Apr 2016 #29

They were smart enough to allow the Constitution to be changed if needed. hack89 Apr 2016 #30

👆 This. deathrind Apr 2016 #56

Wrong. beevul Apr 2016 #63

Please stop messing with other peoples fantasies, after all what would the Founders know about war? Rex Apr 2016 #234

ROFL beevul Apr 2016 #237

Then I would say this Separation May 2016 #320

I used to make the "individual rights" argument until someone educated me on people being plural. ieoeja Apr 2016 #45

You have to look to case law, not your friend, for the legal definition of "the people" hack89 Apr 2016 #48

If you prefer to win an argument to seeking out the truth, then yes, you are absolutely correct. n/t ieoeja Apr 2016 #50

Just pointing out that your argument is not universally accepted so it is not "the truth" hack89 Apr 2016 #51

That one there blamed Bill Clinton for 9/11 Rex Apr 2016 #235

No I didn't. nt hack89 May 2016 #273

The Constitution deathrind Apr 2016 #58

In the Fourth "The people" "parcularly describes" "the persons." Sorry, individual. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #79

Even taking your friend's definition at face value no single instance of "the people" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #80

Yet those same framers went back to their respective states and protected an individual right? X_Digger Apr 2016 #192

Explain to me what part of the Second Amendment limits firearm ownership to militia members TeddyR Apr 2016 #47

"Enforce?" "Enforcement" has happened, just not the way you think. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #76

Stop. Indydem Apr 2016 #31

You stop. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #38

"your so-called right is depriving us of our lives!" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #82

Game, set, match. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #81

Read the preamble... beevul Apr 2016 #62

We should waive the Second Amendment treestar Apr 2016 #20

The 2A does not stop strict gun control laws hack89 Apr 2016 #26

Well by all means. Indydem Apr 2016 #35

Let's just get rid of the amendments that results in 30,000 deaths annually Orrex Apr 2016 #40

How about several million dead iraqis and the voting that led up to it? N/T beevul Apr 2016 #64

Fine by me Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #114

I'd respect gun apologists more Orrex Apr 2016 #119

I dont care about your respect. Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #125

You're a gun apologist. I know what you care about. Orrex Apr 2016 #165

You do not, in fact, know what they care about. You *believe* you know what they care about friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #173

So the Second Amendment TeddyR Apr 2016 #135

If you want me to respond, then don't make up opinions and assign them to me. Orrex Apr 2016 #164

Upthread you 'asssigned' feelings to an entire group of people, most of whom you've never met friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #175

how is the 2A responsible for all of that? as far as murders go, you'd need statistics on how many dionysus Apr 2016 #176

"our biggest problem, IMO, is that we are a sick people who resort to violence way too much." Orrex Apr 2016 #184

"minimally controlled right" DonP Apr 2016 #200

That's about 1.5 deaths annually per law, so yes. Minimal. Orrex Apr 2016 #214

So what law, that will still pass SCOTUS review, do you propose? DonP Apr 2016 #218

Since you've got all the answers, tell me what would work. Orrex Apr 2016 #224

Typical control fan, not a practical idea in your head, just whining DonP Apr 2016 #226

I have proposed many ideas, and gun zealots call all of them non-starters Orrex Apr 2016 #227

They *are* non-starters, as they are demands and not compromises friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #229

Just go back to making angry, silly posts online and make yourself feel good DonP Apr 2016 #230

"A 100% federal sales tax on all guns purchased in the US." EX500rider Apr 2016 #239

Because they most likely were. beevul Apr 2016 #240

Why publicly accessible? What purpose would that serve? Marengo May 2016 #260

Why is the record of my home's ownership publicly available? Orrex May 2016 #262

Nice try, but bullshit. Does that public ownership record list all the personal property inside... Marengo May 2016 #264

You're silly. Orrex May 2016 #265

Yet another bovine bowl movement... Marengo May 2016 #267

Why are you so frightened? I find that pitiable. Orrex May 2016 #269

With no rational counterpoint, you resort to emotion... Marengo May 2016 #272

Now there's a tepid response. Orrex May 2016 #277

It was sufficient to counter your repeated arguments by assertion friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #288

As I expected, extracted fully formed from your rectum... Marengo May 2016 #300

You seem very interested in my rectum. Why is that? Orrex May 2016 #301

As I expected, no valid counter argument to support your position... Marengo May 2016 #302

What is your definition of a "gun zealot"? Marengo May 2016 #303

Holy projection Batman. beevul May 2016 #305

Oh, I noticed you forgot to post a detailed list of the personal possessions in your home... Marengo May 2016 #309

Are the walls of your home transparent? Marengo May 2016 #298

Your problem with heller is based on your misunderstanding of the bill of rights... beevul Apr 2016 #242

"our biggest problem, IMO, is that we are a sick people who resort to violence way too much." EX500rider Apr 2016 #238

i'd say humans in general. since we're the best joint on the block, i'd expect us to be less dionysus May 2016 #336

Anti-gunners are the ones deliberately misreading amendment 2. beevul Apr 2016 #215

3/5th of person was a bad thing as well, but as the irrational might say of the constitution... LanternWaste Apr 2016 #78

Repealing the second wouldn't remove the right, either. X_Digger Apr 2016 #190

I'm just trying to get them on record. Indydem Apr 2016 #197

More Guns = more gun deaths Botany Apr 2016 #7

So how do you explain a 50% reduction in our murder rate? hack89 Apr 2016 #9

I have hunted and owned guns for years and I'm sickened by the bloodshed caused by guns Botany Apr 2016 #15

Ok. So you must be happy that gun violence continues to decline. hack89 Apr 2016 #16

Never been safer. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #18

Two thirds of which are suicides hack89 Apr 2016 #25

Why? Indydem Apr 2016 #27

Gun control advocates have always padded the numbers with suicides. hack89 Apr 2016 #33

I am aware. Indydem Apr 2016 #36

Suicide using a gun is not gun violence? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #37

It is a personal choice. hack89 Apr 2016 #39

Suicide using a gun TeddyR Apr 2016 #49

The gun creates the opportunity. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #53

If guns create the opportunity, then so do ropes and razorblades. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #54

The survival rate and opportunity to say wait... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #55

None of that have to do with "creating the opportunity" to kill oneself. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #74

Go on, admit it, you're just a gun-worshiper trying to push your religion on others. Period. stone space Apr 2016 #231

Go on, admit it, you're just a gun-grabber trying to push your religion on others. Period. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #232

"Gun-Grabber"??? Seriously??? On a Democratic Board??? WTF??? stone space Apr 2016 #236

Did you think "Democrat" and "anti-gun" ran hand in hand? beevul Apr 2016 #243

And there is with a rope? beevul Apr 2016 #66

I know... deathrind Apr 2016 #59

Sure, as long a suicide by hanging is 'rope violence'... beevul Apr 2016 #65

A rope, a pill, a height... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #67

Guns in America are not sold for suicide, not were they created for it. beevul Apr 2016 #68

Guns were created to end life. zappaman Apr 2016 #70

Yet, every enforcement of gun control laws involves people carrying guns. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #85

If that is their true purpose, then 99.9% of gun owners are using them wrong. Waldorf Apr 2016 #105

Not of the user. beevul Apr 2016 #122

I'll keep my eye out for a... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #71

Because you said so? cleanhippie Apr 2016 #77

Right, and we'll keep our eyes open for the Rope Violence Policy Center... beevul Apr 2016 #130

You want an anti-gun person to be factual? cleanhippie Apr 2016 #75

You peoples obsession with opposing any measure of common sense... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #90

Nothing you've said is common sense. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #91

A gun is not a razor or a rope or a pill. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #99

I'm obfuscating? suicide by gun, pill, rope or razor is exactly the same thing: suicide. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #128

Who said they were? beevul Apr 2016 #137

My motive is simple. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #141

Bullshit. beevul Apr 2016 #144

Bullshit my ass! yallerdawg Apr 2016 #152

You are for treating gun ownership as a privilege rather than a right. beevul Apr 2016 #154

Is this an inviolable right? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #156

Its a constitutionally protected right. beevul Apr 2016 #159

Some judges interpreted it as a restricted "right." yallerdawg Apr 2016 #161

It has been posted here sarisataka Apr 2016 #96

Well regulated is the majority opinion. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #100

I never suggested sarisataka Apr 2016 #102

I have no idea what you are talking about. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #104

Your refusal to address sarisataka Apr 2016 #106

Still no idea what you are talking about. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #107

No innuendo, sarisataka Apr 2016 #117

And you peoples insistence on treating a right as if its a privilege... beevul Apr 2016 #126

The Republican majority in Congress... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #132

Ever heard of a classic liberal? beevul Apr 2016 #140

Also known as a Libertarian? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #143

And people say repukes are trying to make "liberal" a dirty word... beevul Apr 2016 #145

You said "classic liberal." yallerdawg Apr 2016 #147

Shit. My mistake. I didn't realize you were the arbiter of all that is liberal. beevul Apr 2016 #149

When, exactly, were *you* made zampolit here? Discussion at DU is up to the management... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #178

You call this discussion? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #180

I *could* call it "slacktivist culture warriors attempt to sling bullshit, and get called on it" friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #182

Well, your adding so much to the conversation. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #186

"You all are like... professionals or something?" CT? Really? That's a reach even for you lot friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #188

This has what to do with the OP or thread? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #191

I know. beevul Apr 2016 #123

Is jumping off a bridge to kill yourself "bridge violence"? EX500rider Apr 2016 #108

A bridge is not a gun. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #109

A bridge isn't a lot of things... EX500rider Apr 2016 #110

The American Psycholological Association... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #111

If I get drunk and mow down a bunch of kids in my car is the car responsible? EX500rider Apr 2016 #113

What about if the car was designed... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #116

Explain how a gun with sights designed to be used from behind... beevul Apr 2016 #142

Sights are used for distance. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #146

Bzzt. beevul Apr 2016 #148

This is about considering suicide an act of gun violence? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #151

This is about holding you to account for the obviously untrue things you say. beevul Apr 2016 #153

What are guns for? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #155

They're for shooting, not for suicide. beevul Apr 2016 #157

So when I shoot the gun pressed to my temple... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #158

LOL beevul Apr 2016 #163

So we are right back to not counting suicide with a gun... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #166

You can't help it can you... beevul Apr 2016 #174

No more than suicide via hanging is "rope violence"... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #177

One more time. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #181

"A rope is not a gun" Yet if one commits suicide with that rope, you are just as dead friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #183

From wiki: yallerdawg Apr 2016 #187

A Wikipedia cite! Cool- I've also got one , in post #188 friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #189

Except I don't wander around looking for some post. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #193

Is hanging rope violence? Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #208

Shift change? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #210

"Shift change?" More conspiracy theory? One's just as likely as the other... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #219

Oh, I see. NOW is the shift change. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #221

"I'm going to be posting...some of her common sense solutions" Are they sensible and reasonable? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #222

Again with the anti-gun rhetoric. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #223

Let's go over your post, as it could stand a good fisking: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #228

Less people have guns. The ones that do have guns have more of them. Multiple gun murders (especiall MillennialDem Apr 2016 #41

Just like Australia. Imagine that. nt hack89 Apr 2016 #42

I think the true thing people are saying is that it's not the number of guns, but the gun ownership MillennialDem Apr 2016 #43

Your OP title is the precise contention that has been Hammerated, prima facie. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #84

How many gun murders happen in Japan? Botany Apr 2016 #86

Probably few. And few by knife. And few by beating. And few by club. And few by... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #92

They have almost none because they don't have all these fucking guns like we do Botany Apr 2016 #97

I just don't see the Japanese killing 300,000 fellow citizens with machetes, as in Rwanda. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #101

Great points, though I disagree on guns dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #196

Thank you for your views. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #201

Good for Australia TeddyR Apr 2016 #10

Yeah, way down to a mere 30K per year. That's almost zero! Orrex Apr 2016 #46

2/3 of those gun deaths are suicides TeddyR Apr 2016 #52

Well you can't have it both ways Orrex Apr 2016 #57

Why do you care if the murder is committed with a gun or a knife? TeddyR Apr 2016 #60

As always, that question is a red herring Orrex Apr 2016 #61

Because the US *non-gun* murder rate is higher than Australia's entire murder rate, guns included friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #179

And yet the US murder rate is below both the world average & median: EX500rider Apr 2016 #244

Link, please. Orrex Apr 2016 #245

link: EX500rider Apr 2016 #246

So, among the nominally stable developed world... Orrex Apr 2016 #248

Do I consider the US being below the worldwide avg and median for murder good? yes. EX500rider Apr 2016 #249

That's a silly and ill-considered standard Orrex Apr 2016 #250

Finland? lol, population 5 million-NY city has about 8 million EX500rider Apr 2016 #253

If we're such a shithole of diversity in your opinion... Orrex Apr 2016 #254

Not much correlation between gun ownership rate and murder rate.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #255

You're right: 30K per year is better than catastrophic genocide Orrex Apr 2016 #257

Except we don't have 30k gun murders..under 9,000 in a country of over 300 million EX500rider May 2016 #258

"And is that homicide by gun?" Who cares? What difference does the method make to the victims... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #247

From a country that just ordered new submarines from us, to deliver death from a distance. jtuck004 Apr 2016 #12

Huh? treestar Apr 2016 #22

The Australians have decided to go with French submarines. nt hack89 Apr 2016 #34

Sous-marins fran�ais sont beaucoup mieux que les sous-marins am�ricains n/t Violet_Crumble Apr 2016 #169

Correlation doesn't equal causation davidn3600 Apr 2016 #19

The number of individuals and households owning guns (at least per capita/percent) has been shrinkin MillennialDem Apr 2016 #44

This may not be true, as some states require citizens to register themselves... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #88

From November 2015: "Gun Ownership in (Massachusetts) Increases 66% since 2010" friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #185

Not only that, how many new FOID cards issued in Illinois in the last few years? beevul Apr 2016 #195

Increase of Illinois FOID Cards from 1.6 million to over 2.0 in 24 months DonP Apr 2016 #203

Thats very interesting Don. beevul Apr 2016 #212

It's very important to their faith based POV, that Illinois be seen as an anomaly DonP Apr 2016 #213

ROFL beevul Apr 2016 #216

K and R! HuckleB Apr 2016 #73

US rates dropped from 7.0 to 3.4 for the same period. jmg257 Apr 2016 #87

Yet, the gun fanciers keep snapping them up. Here's gun lovers lined up to buy Hoyt Apr 2016 #112

Stereotyping and judging people sarisataka Apr 2016 #120

So now you think TeddyR Apr 2016 #136

I don't think we will. Things may change, they may not, but this is not Australia. n jmg257 Apr 2016 #160

Probably true, we have too many sick little losers who need a gun in their pants Hoyt Apr 2016 #167

Yep. Can't underestimate the number of folks who feel safer with guns then they do without. jmg257 Apr 2016 #168

Australia decided those types are a blight on society, hopefully we will too. Hoyt Apr 2016 #170

200 years of history... sendero Apr 2016 #94

We'd never go for that. Turbineguy Apr 2016 #95

20 years of data on Australia's gun control miss the key point Albertoo Apr 2016 #115

Nothing to do with 'merica. onehandle Apr 2016 #121

It's got everything to do with America Albertoo Apr 2016 #127

Thanks for cluing me in on that so obvious key point! Violet_Crumble Apr 2016 #131

I take a longer view than opinion polls Albertoo Apr 2016 #133

That key point I mentioned isn't opinion. It's a fact. Violet_Crumble Apr 2016 #134

What I'm saying is that 'mass' shootings are a blip compared to upheavals Albertoo Apr 2016 #138

Nope. Still weirder than weird. Violet_Crumble Apr 2016 #162

I suppose you are not keen on History Albertoo Apr 2016 #171

Raise that Blue Tarp of Freedom! stone space Apr 2016 #202

that's because they allow concealed Great Whites. WinkyDink Apr 2016 #124

Lets start by banning foreign gun sales WDIM Apr 2016 #129

Most distributed weapon in the world = AK47. Not US made. Albertoo Apr 2016 #139

Yes it is! WDIM Apr 2016 #199

"USA exporting Terror since 1960!" Not with *those* guns, it isn't. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #220

OK, OK, but the world market of AK47's is predominantly out of US hands. Albertoo Apr 2016 #241

How much money sarisataka Apr 2016 #194

How much of the Bill of Rights do you want to take away to make us safe? Odin2005 Apr 2016 #225

LOL Skittles Apr 2016 #251

How many other amendments actively enable thousands of murders annually? Orrex May 2016 #270

Voting rights enabled the deaths of millions... beevul May 2016 #274

Well of course it works, the nation decided to destroy the majority of their guns! Rex Apr 2016 #233

Lots of bloody hands in this thread. Darb Apr 2016 #252

Whose hands are bloody? Marengo May 2016 #261

Those that insist upon defending the indefensible at every turn. Darb May 2016 #263

Well, spewing falsehoods isn't helping your case. beevul May 2016 #275

Quit pretending and wash your hands. Darb May 2016 #293

Tell me more... beevul May 2016 #304

"(W)ash your hands...There is blood on them." Got your rhetoric from Pamela Geller, did you? friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #306

What do you think is "sensible gun control" TeddyR May 2016 #278

Firstly, the second doesn't say what you think it says. Darb May 2016 #294

OK then- in your own words, tell us what *you* think it says? friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #307

Exactly what it says, and how it was written. Darb Jun 2016 #337

The end of it *does* say "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #338

You just ignored the whole amendment Darb Jun 2016 #339

I'm sure you feel better after spouting that, but your logic is still faulty friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #340

Yes you are, you and your allies, the Republican Party and the NRA. Darb Jun 2016 #341

I see you're sticking with the demagoguery schtick, and adding misrepresentation (or ignorance) friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #342

Those of the enablers Matrosov May 2016 #266

Preserved for posterity. beevul May 2016 #276

No need Matrosov May 2016 #281

Just like all drinkers have blood on their hands. hack89 May 2016 #308

False analogy Matrosov May 2016 #321

"ALL gun owners have blood on their hands." hack89 May 2016 #324

Because gun owners enable criminals Matrosov May 2016 #327

But drinkers don't enable DUIs? hack89 May 2016 #329

Thanks for pointing out that ones' 'special pleading': friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #331

I cut my hand TeddyR May 2016 #279

I doubt the founding fathers could've ever foreseen the current gun violence Matrosov May 2016 #282

ALL gun owners have blood on their hands. sarisataka May 2016 #280

I'm not going to apologize for them Matrosov May 2016 #283

It is irrelevant sarisataka May 2016 #284

Yes, they do have blood on their hands Matrosov May 2016 #285

What about the people sarisataka May 2016 #286

Depends on their motive Matrosov May 2016 #322

I vote Democrat because sarisataka May 2016 #328

Fuck your Pamela Gellerish theory of collective guilt- same tune, different lyrics friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #290

Just as those who drink responsible have the blood of DUI victims on *their* hands, eh? pablo_marmol May 2016 #317

Uh, no Matrosov May 2016 #323

Uh, yes- you've blamed the >99% of gun owners that have never shot anyone and never will friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #330

Tap dancing and dodging, as FI has pointed out. pablo_marmol May 2016 #332

So in your sick, twisted upside-down world....... pablo_marmol May 2016 #289

*That* one should consider forming a duo with Pamela Geller, and releasing a single titled: friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #291

* pablo_marmol May 2016 #314

Didn't push you anywhere I'd bet. Darb May 2016 #296

You're correct -- it didn't push me anywhere since I don't vote GOP. pablo_marmol May 2016 #313

Yes. YES. YES!! Matrosov May 2016 #325

No. NO. NO!! pablo_marmol May 2016 #333

BINGO. Darb May 2016 #295

Are you owning it? Are you agreeing that you have bloody hands? Marengo May 2016 #311

How about your hands, are they blood free? Marengo May 2016 #310

They are Matrosov May 2016 #326

Blood which stains the hands may originate from many sources, not just guns... Marengo May 2016 #335

I disagree. We need to repeal restrictive gun laws, and continue making progress. Kang Colby May 2016 #268

Not any gun. Darb May 2016 #297

Huh? Kang Colby May 2016 #299

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wow......... Takket May 2016 #287

On mental health -- here's how Kamala Harris has fumbled **BIG TIME**: pablo_marmol May 2016 #316

Demand creates it's own supply. The Controllers haven't figured this out....... pablo_marmol May 2016 #318

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