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48. I also heard about that study

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:42 PM

Apr 2016

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Over in Europe; Sweden maybe? Somewhere where you would imagine they have fairly liberal views on alternative medicines. Yeah, the results were not very impressive if you are a believer in homeopathy.

However, in my mind I did have a reservation about the methodology. Or a question, rather, since I didn't hear all the details of the study.

But from what I heard, it sounded like they tested many many different homeopathic treatments. Now given that there's a homeopathic treatment for everything from strep throat to skin rashes I think they might have been casting too wide a net.

As in, maybe take the top 3-5 treatments that claim to be effective (anecdotally or otherwise) and run extensive tests on only those products. Or even just the #1 homeopathic remedy. Test that on 100 people and report back on the efficatiousness of THAT.

Although I suspect the results would still be unimpressive...

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