Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: We Need to Stop Treating Naturopaths Like They’re Medical Doctors [View all]passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)91. Are you not concerned with the length of training to become a Naturopathic Doctor?
She got her degree in four years, which included learning all about natural healing methods, and also In some states including Oregon they can also prescribe pharmaceutical drugs if needed.
To become a medical doctor, you have to go to school a lot longer.
Depending on whether you plan to work as a general physician or as another type of doctor, training can take between eleven and sixteen years. Most doctors complete at least four years of undergraduate school, followed by four years of medical school and then three-to-eight years of residency programs.
To become a nutritionist
Typically, a bachelor's degree takes four years to earn, though many online programs allow you to earn your degree in a shorter period of time. In some states, you only need a certificate or associate's degree to be eligible for your nutritionist license, and these can be achieved in two years or less.
To become a dentist
Dental school takes four years to complete at full-time status, so those who complete a bachelor's degree first will be in school for eight years. Those who do not finish a bachelor's degree first or who complete a combined bachelor's and doctoral degree program may take less time to finish their schooling.
It takes longer to become a pharmacist than a dentist or a naturopathic doctor.
Three to four years of undergraduate pre-professional (prerequisite) coursework, followed by four academic years in the professional program. Most students need four years to complete their prerequisite courses. Thus, it usually takes eight years of college study to earn a Pharm.D. and become a pharmacist.
I am glad that you feel better and the treatment seems to be working, but I do worry that you seem to think she is a regular doctor as well as a naturalist. She does not have the credentials to be a regular doctor, and I'm actually surprised that ANY state would allow her to prescribe pharmaceutical drugs.
I have two sisters who are also into natural healing and they are both licensed massage therapists. I believe massage therapy can be considered a real source of healing (especially Lymphatic Drainage Massage), but it doesn't make them doctors. They have both tried to pass on their beliefs and have pushed homeopathic treatments, crystals, magnet therapy, detoxing your feet in a tub of water with an electrical charge or something (I didn't try that one). None of any of the treatments I tried (just to pacify them) did any good at all for me.
That's not to say there are natural treatments that do work for many things, because many of our prescribed medicines and vitamins etc, are made from natural plants and minerals.
I use Melatonin when I can't sleep at night. It's OTC. An aspirin is well known to keep your heart healthy. and wine (especially red wine) will help open your veins, so it's good for your heart and helps clear up edema. A healthy diet and balanced electrolytes are essential to good health, and that doesn't take an MD to figure out. I use many other OTC drugs too, for various things, but they are all proven to work, not just on people who want to believe in them, but in everyone. For example...benadryl works the same way for everyone. Some people may have different side-effect than another person might have, but the general OTC drugs often started out being prescription drugs that had to pass tests to qualfiy, before they became OTC. I don't know what I'd do without ranitidine and prilosec. I believe they were both prescription first and now at lower doses are OTC.
Still, all the flower remedies my sisters believe in, or little pills that dissolve under your tongue to make your symptoms go away...they do absolutely nothing for me. I think the real benefit they may have is as a placebo, and in that case, it's your mind healing your own body. Now they may also use things that have been proven to work and are OTC...I have never been to a naturopath, so I don't know. In your case...if you are actually getting a thyroid replacement drug...even if it's not the standard one doctors use, it may still be working for you. I hope it continues to work and you recover fully.
But I seriously have a problem with a four year degree in natural medicine to qualify someone for prescribing pharmaceutical drugs. I'm sorry to hear that Oregon participates in that, as I don't believe it is wise (and I'm an Oregonian).
I know doctors can and do make mistakes. I've had my share of problems that way, but not all doctors are careless, or think they are know-it-alls and won't listen to the patient...something they really do need to do. I do hope that your caregiver does refer her patients to a specialist if they have a serious problem and her natural path to healing is not working for them.
Anyway, that is how I feel and it probably doesn't mean anything to you. Take care and be well.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
143 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
We Need to Stop Treating Naturopaths Like They’re Medical Doctors [View all]
cleanhippie
Apr 2016
OP
Unfortunately, those that choose naturopaths over medical doctors have rejected reason altogether.
cleanhippie
Apr 2016
#3
I agree std. healthcare messed up. Too much about $ and networkbuilding /removing independnt drs and
lunasun
Apr 2016
#25
A fairly extensive study of homeopathic remedies was recently conducted by—well, I
Gene Debs
Apr 2016
#8
Whole Foods and its imitators like New Seasons sell it in the impulse section.
HuckleB
Apr 2016
#106
Homeopathy isn't a protected term, anyone can label any supplement as "homeopathic" and...
Humanist_Activist
Apr 2016
#109
I'm sure you're trying to make a point, but I'm not sure you know what it is.
cleanhippie
Apr 2016
#17
Okay sure, getting ill might not kill ya...but a broken bone or any number of internal
Rex
Apr 2016
#20
1/3 to 1/2 of Europe died of the plague. Today we can treat it with a $4 antibiotic.
LeftyMom
Apr 2016
#33
True but even if you only take the adult life expectancy, things have improved a lot
LeftishBrit
Apr 2016
#118
Jesus fucking Christ, the evidence is right in front of your eyes, visit a graveyard...
Humanist_Activist
Apr 2016
#46
My mother almost died as a child of scarletina. That was only 65 years ago.
Starry Messenger
Apr 2016
#133
not to be confused with naturopathic physicians like the one who saved my life
Viva_La_Revolution
Apr 2016
#21
i decided not to count that first doctor, since to be fair i only had a few symptoms back then
Viva_La_Revolution
Apr 2016
#39
Interesting, so they use conventional methods of diagnosis, and then treats with alternative...
Humanist_Activist
Apr 2016
#49
that was 10 years ago, a surgeon cured it. my NP diagnosed hashimotos
Viva_La_Revolution
Apr 2016
#61
So, I'm assuming they didn't give you the "conventional" treatment plan for managing your..
Humanist_Activist
Apr 2016
#72
no, she did not prescribe a synthetic T4 and tell me to come back in 6months
Viva_La_Revolution
Apr 2016
#77
Which is also prescribed by regular MDs all the time, though it isn't as preferred as the....
Humanist_Activist
Apr 2016
#108
NDs i looked it up and a link to calm your fears about the money and quality issues
Viva_La_Revolution
Apr 2016
#83
See this just shows how much bullshit they are full off, from the first two sentences:
Humanist_Activist
Apr 2016
#62
Are you not concerned with the length of training to become a Naturopathic Doctor?
passiveporcupine
Apr 2016
#91
proof no one actually reads the links i posted. i guess my doc is best of both worlds
Viva_La_Revolution
Apr 2016
#94
PPI's might be necessary, especially for someone that has a lap-sleeve bypass.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2016
#31
I think most conventional doctors would recommend diet changes and other methods...
Humanist_Activist
Apr 2016
#51
The chiropractors that give babies 'adjustments' for colic should be first against the wall.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2016
#30
No shit, I really don't understand this argument, there are a lot of remedies that are evidence...
Humanist_Activist
Apr 2016
#74
Well you can't find fault with it, so you make a personal attack. We see that. . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2016
#92
You've had much time & 2 opportunities to actually post something meaningful, but
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2016
#103
I've had much time to do things either more pressing or more enjoyable...
Act_of_Reparation
Apr 2016
#129
Lots of good ideas here. Thanks. You're right that binary thinking is very hard for some people
pnwmom
Apr 2016
#114
U.W. Medical Center, one of the top medical schools in the US, disagrees with you.
pnwmom
Apr 2016
#113
No, I didn't use the term. Those words came directly from the University of Washington web site.
pnwmom
Apr 2016
#138
Seriously, where do you come up with this nonsense? ND's are being MURDERED? Seriously?
cleanhippie
Apr 2016
#125
The usual CT sites. Funny thing is that the poster mixed up two different conspiracies.
HuckleB
Apr 2016
#126
Some misinformation in this article (but the parents are still fucking morons)
laundry_queen
Apr 2016
#139