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116. Free voting machines were distributed throughout the state.

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:15 PM

Jun 2012

According to this article:

Forty-six Wisconsin counties and 3,000 voting machines are being controlled by a two-person company operating out of a strip mall in Minnesota

http://wcmcoop.com/members/meet-command-central-the-people-in-charge-of-wisconsin-voting-machines/

Tonight, I was just randomly looking at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel voting results map. I thought it was a bit of a coincidence that three adjoining lakeshore counties--Sheboygan, Manitowoc, and Kewaunee---all had the exact same percentage (64%-34% Walker) while on the western side of the state, three adjoining counties--Burnett, Polk, and St. Croix--all the very similar percentages (60-61% Walker to 39% Barrett). Maybe I'm reaching...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/152346265.html

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Thinking that the WI election was "rigged" sets the stage for losing. [View all] MineralMan Jun 2012 OP

what reason do we have to believe the paid off media is telling the truth We Want Peace Jun 2012 #1

You will think what you want to think. MineralMan Jun 2012 #6

I would just like to point out one thing. zeemike Jun 2012 #46

I appreciate this post. It would help, however, snot Jun 2012 #2

Here's a summary of the existing uncertainty/lack of transparency re- snot Jun 2012 #23

I am with you, Snot. glinda Jun 2012 #93

+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #102

Free voting machines were distributed throughout the state. snacker Jun 2012 #116

and we've all been well trained to rationalize our losses... Matariki Jun 2012 #81

was the heavy monitoring at the polling place or at the counting place? hobbit709 Jun 2012 #3

I'm not in Wisconsin. But, others on DU are, and MineralMan Jun 2012 #11

because a lot of DUers can't comprehend the fact that there are people who believe differently dionysus Jun 2012 #4

+1 Shrek Jun 2012 #7

I'm afraid you're right. MineralMan Jun 2012 #12

You make good points that I agree with but truckin Jun 2012 #20

It's not a one or the other thing... JHB Jun 2012 #38

I agree with you. That was the point I tried to make that we need to continue to fight in each truckin Jun 2012 #39

i'm not saying the republican election fraud doesn't exist. dionysus Jun 2012 #51

That is true, some believe every election that doesn't go our way is rigged. However, truckin Jun 2012 #56

on this we agree. dionysus Jun 2012 #115

ring a ding a ding dong. cali Jun 2012 #30

People believe it was stolen because there's no reason to trust the system. freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #33

As long as you are raising those same questions... ag_dude Jun 2012 #49

I have raised the issue generally, many times, before it pertained to any particular election. freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #55

Actually it IS valid. ag_dude Jun 2012 #64

This has nothing to do with who I am. freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #68

Like I said. ag_dude Jun 2012 #85

Bullcrap. We have seen mountains of evidence of Republican cheating for years and years. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #111

You sound no different than the republican nuts. ag_dude Jun 2012 #113

LOL. I am saying that Repukes cheat at every turn and you call me a Republican? rhett o rick Jun 2012 #114

I'm saying you are a mirror image of them. ag_dude Jun 2012 #117

I will say it again very slow. There is a ton of evidence that repukes cheat. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #120

Explain then libtodeath Jun 2012 #125

If you are a wacko, so am I. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #112

Thanks freedom fighter. nt shcrane71 Jun 2012 #86

Exactly marions ghost Jun 2012 #98

Damn dion. You get to the nub pretty quick, don't you? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #121

i try! dionysus Jun 2012 #122

Walker had 39 million dollars to spend. ananda Jun 2012 #5

There will never be a fair election as long as we have electronic voting. nt Javaman Jun 2012 #8

Amen . . . aggiesal Jun 2012 #70

+100 marions ghost Jun 2012 #101

+1,000,000,000,000 shcrane71 Jun 2012 #79

And electronic vote counting Matariki Jun 2012 #82

With the way the polls swung towards the challenger libtodeath Jun 2012 #9

I don't know that the election was rigged... Scuba Jun 2012 #10

Interestingly enough, that has been done elsewhere. MineralMan Jun 2012 #14

Interestingly enough, that has been done elsewhere besides Minnesota.... Scuba Jun 2012 #32

So if the fraud is massive there is no check on it? freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #35

If every election required a recount, the situation would be unmanageable. MineralMan Jun 2012 #73

So then the choice is between unreliable results and an unmanageable situation? freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #76

No. That's what you think the choice is. MineralMan Jun 2012 #92

What evidence *could* there be? freedom fighter jh Jun 2012 #119

We asked our ROV in San Diego ... aggiesal Jun 2012 #110

Blaming Rove is more fun. greytdemocrat Jun 2012 #13

+1 HotRodTuna Jun 2012 #54

You don't need to steal an election when you can buy one. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2012 #15

Walker's ability to raise unlimited funds for this election MineralMan Jun 2012 #17

True in this particular instance, but I was considering the larger impact The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2012 #19

Yes. The criminal investigations continue. MineralMan Jun 2012 #24

You are far too trusting and not nearly cynical enough. RC Jun 2012 #16

I'm not trusting, and I'm quite cynical. MineralMan Jun 2012 #21

"The legislatures are where the power lies." - Bingo. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2012 #25

You are probably right that Walker won fair and square but would you agree that truckin Jun 2012 #37

Excellent points, all. proverbialwisdom Jun 2012 #43

You can agree the network calling the race 45 minutes in was at least Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #18

Media are always weird. MineralMan Jun 2012 #22

If your message is weak... kentuck Jun 2012 #26

I would love to see a manual recount sunnystarr Jun 2012 #27

Such a recount won't occur. MineralMan Jun 2012 #29

I agree. It's too easy to throw accusations of fraud kudzu22 Jun 2012 #28

Exactly, and why does Minnesota have a Democratic MineralMan Jun 2012 #31

There was a huge emphasis on watching the votes and counts for Governor and you glinda Jun 2012 #94

And yet, he is the Governor. MineralMan Jun 2012 #95

Watching votes is one thing and glinda Jun 2012 #100

Rec'd n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #34

Walker won because the concept of a recall lost. jeff47 Jun 2012 #36

A much better explanation than anything else I've heard. It amazes me that there is *no* theft when SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #47

When we win, the Republicans claim the election was stolen. MineralMan Jun 2012 #74

Agree on all points SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #87

WI bucks the trend, and high voter turn out is now good for Republicans. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #80

Walker got about 38% of union housholds. Add to that fact that about 60% said they SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #88

That makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. It's not that difficult to understand. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #90

I'm just using the polling data to come to some realistic conclusions. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #91

+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #103

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #40

YOU CAN'T MONITOR THE INSIDE OF A VOTING MACHINE nt HomerRamone Jun 2012 #41

Yep... thank you! And who manufactures the voting machines? nt. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #42

bingo 2pooped2pop Jun 2012 #50

yep marions ghost Jun 2012 #105

Interrogating election integrity isn't about hope or hopelessness. EFerrari Jun 2012 #44

Holy fucking shit! THANK YOU!!!! shcrane71 Jun 2012 #57

^^ This ^^ gkhouston Jun 2012 #71

NYT exit poll cosmicaug Jun 2012 #45

meh hfojvt Jun 2012 #48

In para. 3, photo ID and registering at the polls have nothing to do with election fraud AllyCat Jun 2012 #52

HAHAHA... too sick eowyn_of_rohan Jun 2012 #53

You know who the true silent majority is? shcrane71 Jun 2012 #58

Why are we reduced to faith based voting? EFerrari Jun 2012 #61

I didn't think Progressives read crappy books like The Secret. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #66

Voters were deluged by media that re-inforced the idea the recall was illegit. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #72

NBC called it while people were still voting. NYT's called it prior to polls closing. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #78

Yes, peculiar. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #83

+1. I'm disgusted to see so many people who are ok with this election & so invested in HiPointDem Jun 2012 #104

Obey, goddammit. EFerrari Jun 2012 #109

Black-box tabulation sets the stage for wholesale theft. Fozzledick Jun 2012 #59

People who feel it was rigged lack hard evidence. Bradical79 Jun 2012 #60

In a post-Citizens United world, every election is rigged. hifiguy Jun 2012 #62

Almost impossible Stevepol Jun 2012 #63

Yeah it was rigged... Javaman Jun 2012 #65

Bookmarking for later. Thanks. K&R - n/t coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #67

"Fixing an election to produce the results that actually happened would be almost impossible" Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #69

There are few absolutes that can be stated. MineralMan Jun 2012 #77

Not really, everyone knew the 2000 and probably the 2004 elections Rex Jun 2012 #75

Maybe they forgot to rig the machines for McCain kudzu22 Jun 2012 #84

Dunno about that, but they sure did hate McSame. Rex Jun 2012 #89

There are endless reasons why they wouldn't try in 2008. EFerrari Jun 2012 #107

I think it's a little bit of both... progress2k12nbynd Jun 2012 #96

So you think the election could have been rigged. I agree. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #97

Myself, I want to cooperate with the Thought Police EFerrari Jun 2012 #108

There seem to be an awful lot of threads encouraging us to conform and cooperate. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #123

I agree and I think recall politics is a losing game. TNLib Jun 2012 #99

yeah, forget about any tools citizens have outside the regular rigged elections. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #106

and to those who won't let go of the rigged election argument... ibegurpard Jun 2012 #118

Of course you keep fighting. But you also acknowledge that there are major problems truckin Jun 2012 #124

The alternative you don't name is cleaning up our election systems. EFerrari Jun 2012 #126