HEY DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP! I know you troll this place. Listen up.

[freshwest]

80. Interesting argument. The supremes steal in 2000, when progressive voted in droves, were even

Turned back with police barricades, and the governors of TX and FL conspired to rig the voting lists as they are doing now.

Greg Palast documented it very well, said in 2004 that a massive turnout would be needed to overcome systematic GOP voter disenfranchisement. The turnout was affected; some who didn't like Kerry, but there was clear fraud, for which some GOP thugs got prison time.

The massive turnout of 2008 was the only way to overcome the gerrymandering and disenfranchisment which the GOP has not stopped doing since before 2000, as they had their plans in the works while Clinton was in office.

And yes, you just gave the evidence or rather the excuse yourself, didn't you for people not turning out in 2010:

How about voters were mad about the bailouts and about a health care bill they didn't understand. They felt that taxpayer money was going out the door while workers suffered and the Democratic party didn't have a very good narrative to combat FOX's lies.

And did not vote, thanks for proving my point for me. No matter how we argued to those who picked those out to not vote for, they stayed home. By saying it did no good to vote, a sentiment constantly spewed everywhere, we kill ourselves.

The GOP does think it does some good to vote in every election and they promote voting among themselves as a religious or economic necessity. Yet we don't.

They know we outnumber them and fear the power of our votes very much. They fight our being able to vote every chance they get and that ought to say something to you about the value of voting. But some found reasons to abstain.

I am a progressive, why would I blame those who are progressive and voted?

People who stayed home out of spite or apathy for the reasons you seem to think were good ones, buying RW memes, are to blame, not the Democrats for failing to make the case. Those who were busy in local elections knew what was at stake, they didn't need to be convinced sitting an election out was a great way to teach anyone anything.

But those who didn't see what was going on in real life in 2010 and bought what Fox said, waiting for a sign from Obama or God, take your pick, gave the country over to the GOP and the Tea Party, state by state and nationally.

If you think Gore screwed up to lose the election, when Palast and others proved the suppression of voters of color in TN and elsewhere, consider your sources.

I am a progressive who votes in every election because I know what not voting brings about. If you want to discourage Democrats from voting because you don't respect our Democratic candidates, that's your right.

The last 24 hours have been very hard on everyone who supports progressive causes and we are short tempered today. We should not be, but I don't have to fight with you, or you with me. That's your choice.