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30. Well, it did help. It also helped that her dad went to law school there

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Mon May 2, 2016, 05:06 PM

May 2016

and was an editor of the Harvard Law Review. That stuff still matters at an Ivy League school. It's not everything the way it once was, so she had to jump quite a few hurdles to be considered even with her pedigree. Recognizing that this is still part of the admissions process at Ivy League schools is not racist in any way. This is about class, not race.

Did she take the place of a more qualified student? Depends on what you mean by "more qualified" and chances are very good considering her background that such a creature does not exist.

Yes, there is going to be some white whine about this, there always is, and they will stay conveniently blind to all the upper class white kids who also got in as legacies as much as being qualified students.

However, denying the class aspect of this is also wrong. Yes, it mattered. It's just not the whole story.

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you know what's racist af? People implying that Malia got into Harvard due to her last name. [View all] La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 OP

The only way George W. Bush got into an ivy league was his last name redstatebluegirl May 2016 #1

also, why do people assume her grades were not good enough? La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #2

Because she is Black of course.... redstatebluegirl May 2016 #3

Echoes of the demands (by Trump, etc) for Obama's transcripts. emulatorloo May 2016 #8

Because they're racists, as you correctly reasoned. Considering how smart both her parents pnwmom May 2016 #49

Did you examine her report cards and SAT scores? Human101948 May 2016 #57

I doubt that Bush would get into Harvard today. He got in before SAT scores became pnwmom May 2016 #60

Actually it was the GMATs for MBA school then and it was very competitive... Human101948 May 2016 #80

I keep forgetting how many Bernie supporters resent President Obama for his success. Sorry!!! n/t pnwmom May 2016 #90

Oh stop. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #111

But I was talking to someone who does. nt pnwmom May 2016 #116

On this I have to agree RandySF May 2016 #118

Why do you assume they are? Unless you're her academic adviser, you don't know one way or the other. Gene Debs May 2016 #59

Two brilliant, supportive parents plus one healthy child and one stimulating environment = pnwmom May 2016 #61

In other words, you don't actually know either. Gene Debs May 2016 #62

Why would you think otherwise? There has never been any kind of hint pnwmom May 2016 #66

But also no hint she was scscholar May 2016 #89

A healthy child of two brilliant and loving parents, raised in a stimulating environment and pnwmom May 2016 #92

Virtually every Harvard applicant is an exceptional student with extremely high potential Ex Lurker May 2016 #161

It was one of many factors. And why not? How many of her classmates would not be psyched pnwmom May 2016 #162

The kid who didn't get in to Harvard Ex Lurker May 2016 #163

How many Rethug Presidents had TWO parents as bright and well-educated as Barack and Michelle? pnwmom May 2016 #164

I'm sure she is very well qualified Ex Lurker May 2016 #165

honest, probably because i am not racist af. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #63

Are you saying I am? Gene Debs May 2016 #68

I am so happy for Malia. But who is af? floriduck May 2016 #83

lol it means as fuck La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #99

Ya got me there. LOL at me too. nm floriduck May 2016 #125

I have always been under the impression that both she and Sasha are top grade students. They monmouth4 May 2016 #4

they have parents who are brilliant, they had excellent schooling La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #6

They did indeed have the kind of project-based, private school learning not available villager May 2016 #53

Sidwell is the go-to for presidential children RandySF May 2016 #120

That is not racism TM99 May 2016 #5

oh of course it's not. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #7

Are you claiming I am racist? TM99 May 2016 #20

They claimed Obama was "unqualified" to get into Harvard Law emulatorloo May 2016 #11

I am sure 'they' did TM99 May 2016 #24

well I did find this hfojvt May 2016 #29

Her grades are none of our damn business. TNNurse May 2016 #46

Regression to the mean AngryAmish May 2016 #64

Malia Obama deserves the same privacy as you and me. yardwork May 2016 #47

30 and a 4.0 hfojvt May 2016 #122

^^^^^^^^^^WOW^^^^^^^^^^ alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #156

1206 is pretty good TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #157

No it wouldn't ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #158

Cool allegation... yet lacking a copy of the transcript, that's all it really is. LanternWaste May 2016 #172

What business is it of yours or anyone else for that matter? Kingofalldems May 2016 #50

Maybe Trump can get his people on it. gwheezie May 2016 #55

we have gotten quite trump-y here lately. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #78

Unqualified? He graduated "Magna cum laude" from Harvard Law. Bush graduated from Harvard Busines Cal33 May 2016 #35

Well, Trump demanded his transcript, after he demanded his birth certificate emulatorloo May 2016 #37

So did Ted Cruz lancer78 May 2016 #39

nobody denies cruz was qualified and is intellIgent JI7 May 2016 #58

I no longer respect lancer78 May 2016 #160

I don't know what Cruz learned at. Harvard Law. Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #182

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #19

being well qualified for acceptance and having a last name that virtually guarantees it... mike_c May 2016 #9

the compulsion to point this out comes from a very racist space La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #13

this is exactly it JI7 May 2016 #21

yup. because of course the kennedy kids were clearly qualified. compulsive racism La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #22

Why should you then be snide about "the Kennedy kids"? It's either all good, or not. WinkyDink May 2016 #101

I am not being snide about the kids La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #102

I know tone. "Of course" set it. Moreover, only Republicans would have griped about any Kennedys. WinkyDink May 2016 #106

you cannot tell my tone on my posts. you can tell what i am actually saying La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #112

Name and money... TipTok May 2016 #10

mr and mrs obama got in without having presidential parents. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #26

Hence the reason I said that it is only part of the reason... TipTok May 2016 #38

So how about Chelsea Clinton? Stanford would have just taken her without her name right? snooper2 May 2016 #179

Any university in the country will accept a child of the president. Nye Bevan May 2016 #12

Bingo. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #16

Agreed metroins May 2016 #23

the compulsion to point this out comes from a very racist space La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #27

i bet they think her parents only got in because they are black JI7 May 2016 #14

exactly. minimizing black achievements is part of a holistic way in which we devalue black lives La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #17

How well did she do on the SAT? What was her GPA? Kang Colby May 2016 #15

are you asking this of all Harvard students or just her? La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #18

All Harvard students including those with legacy advantages. Kang Colby May 2016 #25

why would you assume she was not qualified by her own merit? La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #28

Huh? I didn't assume anything. Kang Colby May 2016 #33

so she needs to prove that she deserved to get in, we cannot make the assumption La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #34

No, she doesn't need to "prove" anything. She already did, when she got into Harvard! Kang Colby May 2016 #36

i apologize for being cantankerous, but it wouldnt shut them up, they'd just move the boundary La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #42

Exactly!!! The goal post always moves. Nt AgadorSparticus May 2016 #103

Understood. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #119

Well, it did help. It also helped that her dad went to law school there Warpy May 2016 #30

took me a while to figure out what AF meant. hfojvt May 2016 #31

af means as fuck....fairly new term irisblue May 2016 #167

Maybe Barack Obama got into Harvard with his name, NOT!! Thinkingabout May 2016 #32

Silly Lioness. It was because of her first name. KamaAina May 2016 #40

I give up: what's "af"? nt Smarmie Doofus May 2016 #41

as fuck. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #43

Or because she's the daughter of the president of the U. S., and a child of the ruling class. Binkie The Clown May 2016 #44

Been waiting for someone, anyone, in this thread to point out Michelle went to Harvard Law as well Hekate May 2016 #45

Right, I'm sure Harvard was going to deny the daughter of the POTUS Android3.14 May 2016 #48

Amazing how they all jump in on these threads. Kingofalldems May 2016 #51

I seriously doubt she got in due to name. Turin_C3PO May 2016 #52

OF COURSE, Malia is Harvard material! raging moderate May 2016 #54

There's no mention of race in the statement. The implication is that she got into Harvard because Gene Debs May 2016 #56

this is a rightwing tactic that has recently reared its head on DU, where the mention of race La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #67

I agree 100% rock May 2016 #65

as fuck. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #69

That's what I found on Google rock May 2016 #70

So I guess I am gooing to be racist because I don't give a fuck what school she attends? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #71

apathy is different from deliberately diminishing achievements of black people. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #72

Look just making sure, becuase I have been told by some that it is indeed racist nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #75

You know what's also "racist af"? Scootaloo May 2016 #73

clinton did not bring up pastor wright, when asked to comment she said La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #77

Funny how selective your ability to hear dog whistles seems to be Scootaloo May 2016 #94

Right. People only get into Harvard on their academic merit. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #74

Huh? Noooo.... retrowire May 2016 #76

Being the daughter of the President of the United States certainly helps her cause oberliner May 2016 #79

i think she would have gotten in on her own merit, much like her parents did La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #81

In this case, "I think...." is completely illogical. She is who she is, and cannot be another. WinkyDink May 2016 #105

Many meritorious students don't get into Harvard oberliner May 2016 #113

Only 5.8% of the top students in this country who apply get TexasMommaWithAHat May 2016 #124

Absolutely. Race had nothing to do with it. mikehiggins May 2016 #82

Her father is a graduate, so she has a "legacy" advantage anyway jberryhill May 2016 #84

her admission there is not our business. lots of people are admitted there and nobody bothers with msongs May 2016 #85

SHE IS THE DAUGHTER OF THE US PRESIDENT. Not Holden from Pennsy Prep. WinkyDink May 2016 #97

"In America... BumRushDaShow May 2016 #86

Yes. This. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #100

Even if it's true kacekwl May 2016 #87

Well said GOPblows431 May 2016 #88

Of course her name got her in abakan May 2016 #91

She has two ivy league parents. Every time I sit in the Trustees reading room in Princeton's... NNadir May 2016 #93

Jury Results. NutmegYankee May 2016 #95

Of course this got alerted on. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #98

You were correct in expecting it. NutmegYankee May 2016 #104

i am. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #108

Come on! Daughter of a POTUs AND alum?! Not race; Family! Status! Plus, her world travels and WinkyDink May 2016 #96

she is the POTUS' daughter; Ivy League schools nearly always take political royalty ericson00 May 2016 #107

both accusations denigrate the actual merit of a student. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #110

No, it does exactly the opposite. basselope May 2016 #134

I'm certain Malia is as brilliant as her parents RandySF May 2016 #109

I don't think you understand what the term "racist" means. basselope May 2016 #114

LOL. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #115

Sorry, but you don't. basselope May 2016 #117

I teach about prejudice and racism La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #129

Well, you are obviously not very good at it. basselope May 2016 #132

ha ha. ok. research has to be peer reviewed not a self published book. just fyi. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #139

Do you know how many disputed "peer reviewed" studies there are? basselope May 2016 #147

I'd keep minimizing and trivializing academic publishing as well if it countered my own biases. LanternWaste May 2016 #176

What "bias" basselope May 2016 #181

Some people aren't aware of the micro aggression from racism so they dismiss those who do uponit7771 May 2016 #127

Some people just abuse the term. basselope May 2016 #130

....and its usually NOT the people who don't understand the micro agressions of racism. uponit7771 May 2016 #133

No. basselope May 2016 #135

If the context is narrowed to only questioning legacy systems of course there's no there there uponit7771 May 2016 #136

also, in a country where race determines a lot of your destiny, a lot of things are about race. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #141

YES!! Many can't relate how much race is involved. Even some PoC who haven't grown uponit7771 May 2016 #145

That isn't what the OP posted. basselope May 2016 #143

I read the OP again and didn't read "any" questioning just the context of legacy which is a double uponit7771 May 2016 #148

You have to admit she is extremely high profile. basselope May 2016 #152

Of course there were not cries of racism, they're white... kinda makes the point right? Historically uponit7771 May 2016 #166

But, I haven't even seen the question being raised. basselope May 2016 #168

Isn't "some" or "most" implied? There wasn't any "all people implying" it was "people implying" as.. uponit7771 May 2016 #169

Test scores and grades Depaysement May 2016 #121

I agree with you. Texasgal May 2016 #123

I have seen no mention of this except on DU by Clinton fans. Where do you find this stuff? CentralCoaster May 2016 #126

lol. Not everything is about the primary. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #128

Having nothing to do with my query-- who is saying these things about Malia? CentralCoaster May 2016 #131

i honestly dont know about presidential candidates La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #137

"It's not like Harvard is hard to get into"? You don't think a 5% admission rate is hard? n/t pnwmom May 2016 #171

Melia is in the enviable position of having her LibDemAlways May 2016 #138

Given the intelligence and education of her parents Bradical79 May 2016 #140

agreed. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #142

I am really tired of the chip on the shoulders of DU. I cannot believe our Democratic board seabeyond May 2016 #144

me either. we've all argued before, but DU has been feeling less and less big D La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #146

Plus 1 - n/t JustAnotherGen May 2016 #177

Great post malaise May 2016 #149

K&R betsuni May 2016 #150

Sorry, but the PO is just a leap of faith Albertoo May 2016 #151

Who is this "they" you are talking about. notadmblnd May 2016 #153

They said GW Bush got into Yale because of his name----what do you call that? virgogal May 2016 #154

Same as when Chelsea got into Stanford One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #155

That's not racist. It's classist. It's the recognition that she's a legacy not her race. craigmatic May 2016 #159

K&R Starry Messenger May 2016 #170

Auto Focus? Air Force? Audio Frequency? Thor_MN May 2016 #173

The 1% are evil, unless they are our 1% Democat May 2016 #174

I don't remember anyone minimizing Chelsea Clinton's earning her admissions at Stanford, Oxford and LanternWaste May 2016 #175

You don't remember anyone criticizing Chelsea Clinton? Or is that sarcasm? Democat May 2016 #185

Every kid of powerful parents will be looked at the same way The2ndWheel May 2016 #178

Not necessarily Captain Stern May 2016 #180

A beautiful intelligent young woman. This is what all children should have no matter their race. Autumn May 2016 #183

^^^^^ this is correct questionseverything May 2016 #184

Reading through all those vile comments against her... sofa king May 2016 #186