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whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
95. Whole bunch of reasons
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:25 PM
May 2016

I am white, male and working. I personally am comfortably off but my hobbies, workplace and habits mean I associate almost entirely with very much working class white males.

Are some of them sexist and racist? Sure! It's anecdotal but I'd guess maybe 30% of them really would have problems voting for a female or POC president.

But 99%+ of them are what the DU purity crowd would call racist and sexist, and the 70% who really aren't so resent that. Being told you can't be a real liberal if you aren't furious and outraged every time somebody mentions CP time or uses bitch as a verb, and that it's no different a mark of your character than standing on street corners in a pointed robe shouting "All N...ers must die!" by many of a party's strongest advocates is not going to endear that party to you.

For anything but urban-dwelling white males, and even for many of them, the obssession with limiting guns, and demonizing gun owners, is a slap in the face to centuries of traditional American culture. Yes it's an easy sell that lunatics don't need machine guns, and it wouldn't be too hard to tighten up checks etc, but when such measures inevitably come along with pointless silliness like cap limits and the war on ugly black rifles, the heavily armed white working class just do facepalms.

For the less well educated, jobs are becoming scarce and either low pay, unpleasant or both. For all the wrong reasons, the fathers of the current white working class middle-aged Trump bloc didn't have to compete for jobs with women and POC as much as they do. When the Dems still spend so much of their political influence on these competitors, a zero sum game assumption is hard to refute. Yes people who follow such things closely know that women and minorities aren't even on a level playing field, but that's scant comfort to Stan when he sees Deshawn or Emily get "his" job and still have programs pushed by Democrats to assist them. We need to change messaging somewhat to support equality but to stress equality for all and at the cost of none. When there are almost no safety nets out there for men without children (and when men are rarely granted custody of them), resentment again is hardly a surprise.

We do not offer as simplistic a vision as the Reps do. Yeah yeah elitist liberal snobbery yadda yadda but if you are asking about a less well-educated demographic, you can't with any honesty be hypocritical and pretend they are slavering at the bit to hear wonkish data on GINI coefficients and race-biased sentencing. This really is the main reason why I favor Sanders over HRC despite hardly approaching socialism or the doctrinaire far left; he's the best on our side I've ever seen about explaining to non-wonks what the problem is and how to fix it, in easy and compelling strokes that sell WIIFM.





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This may be entertaining.. Fla_Democrat May 2016 #1
Working class white MEN Glitterati May 2016 #2
White women voted for McCain and Romney. cigsandcoffee May 2016 #61
We elected a black guy as potus. JoePhilly May 2016 #3
Yup. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #73
Goes back further than that... Human101948 May 2016 #78
For no small number of the ones who defected to Trump griffi94 May 2016 #4
Propaganda works UCmeNdc May 2016 #70
Propaganda does work griffi94 May 2016 #72
The repugs learned to play the race card way back with the Reagan Democrats. brush May 2016 #5
Reagan Democrats. KamaAina May 2016 #7
Earlier than that even gollygee May 2016 #39
Yes. brush May 2016 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author KamaAina May 2016 #6
The right wing acquired the traditional media. snot May 2016 #8
But people say the media is Liberal. runaway hero May 2016 #13
And you believe this why? Hekate May 2016 #24
What makes you think it isn't Liberal runaway hero May 2016 #49
Get a brain, morans. tabasco May 2016 #91
someone left their bridge unattended dlwickham May 2016 #60
Exactly WHY should they be Democrats? mikehiggins May 2016 #9
Bingo. Well said. Populist_Prole May 2016 #10
but sanders isn't popular with that group. it's trump that is popular with them JI7 May 2016 #15
It's because of the anger zalinda May 2016 #20
Do you think black and hispanic people can't be working class ? JI7 May 2016 #21
Oh course they can, but the premise was 'white men Trump supporters' zalinda May 2016 #65
I think you have got it exactly right. potone May 2016 #53
^^^^^^^^^^ this! ^^^^^^^^^^ mooseprime May 2016 #27
You pretty much nailed it. Wellstone ruled May 2016 #37
The phenomenon pre-dates what you're suggesting brush May 2016 #48
I saw it happen in the 80's. Wall street, not main street, in Appalachia. X_Digger May 2016 #54
you forgot the other part of that hfojvt May 2016 #93
Two Ronnies view on this problem. Personally I blame anyone who plays to the ugly racist bigotry pkdu May 2016 #11
1968. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #12
civil rights JI7 May 2016 #14
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Peacetrain May 2016 #17
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #29
Beat me to it. Starry Messenger May 2016 #74
Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Affirmative Action...for some. Deuce May 2016 #16
Google this . . . markpkessinger May 2016 #18
Stop villifying them may be a good place to start. Throd May 2016 #19
Right but runaway hero May 2016 #22
Who is "everyone"? Hekate May 2016 #25
Many people on DU runaway hero May 2016 #33
Have you read the thread? Here, let me show you. Scootaloo May 2016 #40
they feel vilified over POC getting rights JI7 May 2016 #30
The GOP has used the rw churches, media etc to point the jwirr May 2016 #47
So no other demo in America is vilified? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #31
these people want their jobs back runaway hero May 2016 #34
All demos don't want their jobs back? tia... I"m still tryin to figure out why they're the only demo uponit7771 May 2016 #35
because I believe runaway hero May 2016 #41
OK, don't see that as a reason why they're the ONLY ones in America who are vilified in some way uponit7771 May 2016 #44
Come on runaway hero May 2016 #50
They're even less apt to hire a middle aged PoC then!! If it comes to losing jobs cause of uponit7771 May 2016 #59
Of course it hurts poc too runaway hero May 2016 #89
They aren't. But just look at the responses in this thread. Throd May 2016 #43
I don't see their concerns being so different than any other demo, I'm still trying to figure out wh uponit7771 May 2016 #46
Too many republicans, particularly Trump and Cruz supporters, do "pine for 1955". pampango May 2016 #81
Google "Southern Strategy" NT Adrahil May 2016 #23
Repeal of the Fairness Doctrine and Rush Limbaugh Brother Buzz May 2016 #26
It's a process that's still going on when it comes to the push for college for all, gun control, Brickbat May 2016 #28
After they had to start sharing power with non white men? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #32
not always about that. runaway hero May 2016 #36
Nixon's "Southern Strategy" gollygee May 2016 #38
Hard Hats for Nixon. CK_John May 2016 #42
I am a working-class white guy. MindPilot May 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles May 2016 #52
When they were persuaded to believe their tax money went to thugs bigwillq May 2016 #55
If Wall Street crooks and WMD liars were in jail I Lint Head May 2016 #56
I'm somewhere between working class and upper middle class... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #57
1968 Civil Rights Act onward. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #58
1968 Spider Jerusalem May 2016 #62
Civil Rights Act, guns, God, gays, NAFTA doc03 May 2016 #63
LBJ told us why GulfCoast66 May 2016 #64
Whitey is becoming lancer78 May 2016 #66
Your bigotry is showing in the use of the slur "whitey." Ex Lurker May 2016 #68
Yes lancer78 May 2016 #69
White voters responded to Johnsons Great Society by electing Nixon forjusticethunders May 2016 #92
We have some very powerful myths in this country... ljm2002 May 2016 #67
BINGO!!...the hypocrisy of the 'evolved' Democratic Party...the talk versus the action... islandmkl May 2016 #85
1968-ish? Iggo May 2016 #71
We don't need them... ileus May 2016 #75
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #83
like where? runaway hero May 2016 #88
The responses to this thread are all you need to know AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #76
Not just regarded as stupid and racist, but their problems aren't real The2ndWheel May 2016 #82
I don't know when we lost them, but I can tell you why we still do Lee-Lee May 2016 #77
Corporate people like Clinton Duckhunter935 May 2016 #79
when they started watching foxnews and listening to rush limbaugh who all blamed their problems beachbum bob May 2016 #80
The Dems didn't abandon the white working class forjusticethunders May 2016 #84
seems like you have it backwards...but i admit i had a little trouble tracking your argument... islandmkl May 2016 #87
You do realize forjusticethunders May 2016 #90
you skipped Carter...and your history ignores the control of Congress that the Party enjoyed... islandmkl May 2016 #94
I'm a working class white woman (retired firefighter/paramedic) we can do it May 2016 #86
Whole bunch of reasons whatthehey May 2016 #95
Urban Rioting, Anti-War Movement, Student Protests and Nixon's appeal to the silent majority Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2016 #96
I'm not really sure what happened... ChaoticSilly May 2016 #97
1980 and that election nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #98
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