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In reply to the discussion: Nothing is as important as climate change [View all]seekthetruth
(504 posts)Sexist?
I'm absolutely not sexist one bit, and nothing I said was sexist. I've stated that argument to multiple women (progressive women) who I know in my personal life, and they all agree. I assume you're a guy, so there's that.
If Hillary was a progressive just as much as Sanders is, then I would choose Hillary in a heartbeat because, yes, it's time for a female president. She just isn't the one for now. Perhaps you need to really take a look at her record on issues.
I'm not hyperbolically anti-Clinton because I judge her based on her actions, not on what she says.
She chose to side with bankers versus the people when voting for the financial bail out. Please, don't mention the auto bail out.....enough said on that one.
On top of that, please, please, please defend fracking. Defend your candidate's stance on it. How do you defend her support for fracking when our world is literally heating up year by year? When I bring this up on DU, I never receive a response......
I'm resigned to reality as well, in that we have a broken campaign system in this country, and the actions by the establishment have proven that over and over.
I think the biggest reason why Progressives don't support Clinton, besides the whole Wall Street connection issue, is the environment. That is the single biggest, most profound issue that creates the most passionate responses from people, and you're willing to turn a blind eye to that?
Additionally, how can you support Clinton's slant towards war? Or do you support war as well when it's not in defense?
This year is really turning out those who say they're progressive, and those who claim to be. Purity test or not, yes, there are certain criteria for being a progressive. If I believe in regressive taxation, can I call myself a progressive? If I believe that it's okay for the U.S. to invade other countries on the pretext of disposing of a dictator that we don't like, can I call myself a progressive? On and on.
Besides, one other distinction that does not qualify Mrs. Clinton's claim to be a progressive, is her stance on the death penalty. Taken from https://theintercept.com/2016/03/17/hillary-clintons-indefensible-stance-on-the-death-penalty/.
Here's the quote:
"But then she pivoted. Where I end up is this and maybe its a distinction that is hard to support but at this point, given the challenges we face from terrorist activities, primarily in our country, that end up under federal jurisdiction, for very limited purposes I think that it can still be held in reserve for those. Invoking the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11, Clinton said, That is really the exception that I still am struggling with."
Either you're for abortion, or you support women's right to choose. Either you're for the death penalty, or you're against it. It's that simple.
So, the moral of the story, if you're a Progressive, then Clinton is logically not your choice. The only other candidate who definitely holds progressive values is Sanders. So, as a progressive, he is my choice for president.
You, if you claim to be a Progressive, cannot support Clinton if you hold true to your progressive values. You're a moderate, and if you defend her vote on the Iraq War as well as increasing our involvement in Syria, then you're a borderline conservative when it comes to foreign policy.
Your response? If you choose not to respond, then I assume you simply agree with me. If so, welcome to the Progressive family! Good on ya, friend!