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seekthetruth

(504 posts)
46. Distortions?
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:55 PM
May 2016

Sexist?

I'm absolutely not sexist one bit, and nothing I said was sexist. I've stated that argument to multiple women (progressive women) who I know in my personal life, and they all agree. I assume you're a guy, so there's that.

If Hillary was a progressive just as much as Sanders is, then I would choose Hillary in a heartbeat because, yes, it's time for a female president. She just isn't the one for now. Perhaps you need to really take a look at her record on issues.

I'm not hyperbolically anti-Clinton because I judge her based on her actions, not on what she says.

She chose to side with bankers versus the people when voting for the financial bail out. Please, don't mention the auto bail out.....enough said on that one.

On top of that, please, please, please defend fracking. Defend your candidate's stance on it. How do you defend her support for fracking when our world is literally heating up year by year? When I bring this up on DU, I never receive a response......

I'm resigned to reality as well, in that we have a broken campaign system in this country, and the actions by the establishment have proven that over and over.

I think the biggest reason why Progressives don't support Clinton, besides the whole Wall Street connection issue, is the environment. That is the single biggest, most profound issue that creates the most passionate responses from people, and you're willing to turn a blind eye to that?

Additionally, how can you support Clinton's slant towards war? Or do you support war as well when it's not in defense?

This year is really turning out those who say they're progressive, and those who claim to be. Purity test or not, yes, there are certain criteria for being a progressive. If I believe in regressive taxation, can I call myself a progressive? If I believe that it's okay for the U.S. to invade other countries on the pretext of disposing of a dictator that we don't like, can I call myself a progressive? On and on.

Besides, one other distinction that does not qualify Mrs. Clinton's claim to be a progressive, is her stance on the death penalty. Taken from https://theintercept.com/2016/03/17/hillary-clintons-indefensible-stance-on-the-death-penalty/.

Here's the quote:

"But then she pivoted. “Where I end up is this — and maybe it’s a distinction that is hard to support — but at this point, given the challenges we face from terrorist activities, primarily in our country, that end up under federal jurisdiction, for very limited purposes I think that it can still be held in reserve for those.” Invoking the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11, Clinton said, “That is really the exception that I still am struggling with."

Either you're for abortion, or you support women's right to choose. Either you're for the death penalty, or you're against it. It's that simple.

So, the moral of the story, if you're a Progressive, then Clinton is logically not your choice. The only other candidate who definitely holds progressive values is Sanders. So, as a progressive, he is my choice for president.

You, if you claim to be a Progressive, cannot support Clinton if you hold true to your progressive values. You're a moderate, and if you defend her vote on the Iraq War as well as increasing our involvement in Syria, then you're a borderline conservative when it comes to foreign policy.

Your response? If you choose not to respond, then I assume you simply agree with me. If so, welcome to the Progressive family! Good on ya, friend!

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Not to be too contrarian, because you're right about the importance... Wounded Bear May 2016 #1
No, but nothing he might do, under the best of circumstances Kelvin Mace May 2016 #27
I totally agree with you... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #41
As well as Clinton's. seekthetruth May 2016 #2
Besides.....Charles Koch has decided that Hillary would make a fine president..... seekthetruth May 2016 #3
not this shit again. maxsolomon May 2016 #32
Yes, this shit again.... seekthetruth May 2016 #39
i note that you didn't provide the quote, because he didn't say that. maxsolomon May 2016 #42
Yep, that's what I understood him to say as well.... seekthetruth May 2016 #44
Take that Syrian War crap to the Bernie Group - the body bags have never stopped. maxsolomon May 2016 #45
Distortions? seekthetruth May 2016 #46
No response? seekthetruth May 2016 #53
I'm not online 24/7, 189 posts. you posted this taunt at 5 am. maxsolomon May 2016 #55
Oh, now she's not your candidate? seekthetruth May 2016 #56
As posted multiple times elsewhere on DU: maxsolomon May 2016 #57
He said positive things about Hillary. seekthetruth May 2016 #58
FFS maxsolomon May 2016 #59
it's called a lack of critical thinking skills Skittles May 2016 #54
Her support of gas fracking is long-standing, and fracking is as bad as coal mining NickB79 May 2016 #61
As a teacher at a college, I realize how hard it is to get through skip fox May 2016 #4
I ask people that if they were told by 97 doctors that they needed Kelvin Mace May 2016 #28
I generally agree but I would say that US foreign economic policy is more important because bjo59 May 2016 #5
It's much worse than you think. See the recent study funded by the National Science Foundation AikidoSoul May 2016 #6
Chasing Ice CrispyQ May 2016 #15
There was a challenge to the claim of atmospheric oxygen loss by Bernardo de La Paz AikidoSoul May 2016 #17
Hey, you don't have the courtesy to PM me when you mention me Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #47
YOU were the one claiming atmospheric oxygen loss. I called you on your *mistake* Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #49
What other threads have you posted against me and mentioned my name without PMing me? Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #51
Of course that's hyperbole The2ndWheel May 2016 #7
I would say that bluegopher May 2016 #9
Nothing we were doing before 2000 was sustainable either The2ndWheel May 2016 #10
I wouldn't suggest that an election could "fix" the problem, skip fox May 2016 #13
Perhaps you mean the anxiety skip fox May 2016 #11
Unless the administration makes climate change "top priority" NT AikidoSoul May 2016 #18
And now these jokers are even tracking "the environmentalist left"! skip fox May 2016 #8
Curious...when did "Global Warming" change to "Climate Change" and why?nt clarice May 2016 #12
Good question and it deserves a good answer with dates &c. skip fox May 2016 #14
Thank you....good explanation.nt clarice May 2016 #16
More like "20+ years ago" (n/t) Spider Jerusalem May 2016 #37
Because warming doesn't do JUST warming, it has the potential to create huge storms AikidoSoul May 2016 #19
Scary.nt clarice May 2016 #20
A better, more scientific answer than mine. skip fox May 2016 #22
You do not comprehend the paper. It makes NO CLAIM about loss of atmospheric oxygen Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #50
The problem is that a minimum AB 32 nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #21
I agree. And in the long run, this will include democracy. (Warning--very pessimistic.) First Speaker May 2016 #23
One begins to feel that having children these days skip fox May 2016 #24
I know...I see very little hope... First Speaker May 2016 #25
It has always been an optimistic act, always. I gave it long hard thought in '72 for this reason. haikugal May 2016 #30
I'm glad I didn't PasadenaTrudy May 2016 #40
We did not nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #48
Yep, and it's why we are hosed Kelvin Mace May 2016 #26
^^^THIS^^^ haikugal May 2016 #31
Sadly this is now pretty much the only issue I ever post on here at DU anymore riderinthestorm May 2016 #29
Frog in a slowly heating pot of water, right? maxsolomon May 2016 #33
Anyone who benefits from the status quo fights science on this. HuckleB May 2016 #34
And are ANY republican proactive on action to deal with it rather than to ignore it? Trump thinks pampango May 2016 #35
I remember how Bill Clinton worked from Day One to wean America from fossil fuels not. Octafish May 2016 #36
Everyone is so pessimistic! skip fox May 2016 #38
although 13 (number of the Death card in Tarot) is appropriate, here's a 14th rec Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #43
And Bernie is the strongest in combating it. Go Bernie and supporters! highprincipleswork May 2016 #52
if you are homeless today, do you think you care about people drowning in 20 years La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #60
Very true GOPblows431 May 2016 #62
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