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Bucky

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19. When you describe Dukakis, you're kind of dessribing Clinton too

Wed May 4, 2016, 10:13 AM

May 2016

Sorry, but the parallels are too close, if not perfect.

Tho' Clinton can argue well, as opposed to Dukakis's dryness behind the lectern, she still can't win over new voters. Debates aren't won by scoring the best arguments; they're won by showing undecideds visceral leadership characteristics. She doesn't do that.

Her numbers haven't moved up or down in the past 12 months. She's not picking up new support as Sanders wanes from the fight. That is fatal to her November chances. Trump, on the other (tiny) hand, has increased his support month after month since Iowa. Remember when 30% of the Republicans was his ceiling? And then it wa 40% Now they say he can't top 60% of Republican support. More and more of them just seem to fall in line behind him... because that's what Republicans always do.

Will we? We haven't so far.

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The Trump nightmare is real. Clinton could lose this. [View all] LuckyTheDog May 2016 OP

Dukakis lost because people could not see him as Prez material. Hoyt May 2016 #1

Dirty tricks had nothing to do with it. Octafish May 2016 #2

That was as low as was Horton. I think the photo in the tank tanked him as well. Hoyt May 2016 #4

You echo what may Bush supporters said. Octafish May 2016 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author LonePirate May 2016 #5

Exactly. He didn't know how to campaign & project strength. Sound familiar? Bucky May 2016 #16

If Hillary wins, it will be by the thinnest of margins. BillZBubb May 2016 #3

Depends on the Indeoendents. LonePirate May 2016 #7

Trump does better among Independents than Clinton. Bucky May 2016 #17

Check. On both points. dchill May 2016 #29

What a lame argument sharp_stick May 2016 #6

When you describe Dukakis, you're kind of dessribing Clinton too Bucky May 2016 #19

Disagree. FLPanhandle May 2016 #8

Probably will. LuckyTheDog May 2016 #11

I hope you're right. I think you're over confident. Bucky May 2016 #21

He has appeal to remarkalby uninformed people, and there are millions of them, but his main Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #32

I live in a deep red conservative area FLPanhandle May 2016 #36

"the perfect GOP primary candidate and the worst GE candidate" Bucky May 2016 #40

No he couldn't. leftofcool May 2016 #9

Please, no snark here, watch this Van Jones video Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #33

Unlikely cali May 2016 #10

Well argued. Bucky May 2016 #23

I said my piece months ago nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #12

+1 Bucky May 2016 #24

Hmm it would be a fun skit nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #25

Yes he could win. More likely he won't. emulatorloo May 2016 #14

He's a boob and a jerk. dchill May 2016 #30

"W" was elected TWICE... mackdaddy May 2016 #15

Now she's talking about "Hill and Bill" in the White House mikehiggins May 2016 #18

Everyone under 45 will need a chaperone when meeting with Bill. closeupready May 2016 #20

Reality show well within the new media rules nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #27

AS bad as W was.... Adrahil May 2016 #22

W was elected ZERO times. dchill May 2016 #31

No could about it. Will. KPN May 2016 #26

Dukakis was relatively unknown. That is what can happen when an unknown BootinUp May 2016 #28

Hopefully, she won't do any stupid and pandering photo ops ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #34

Thirty states are controlled by Republican Governors, and they control who counts the vote. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #35

Wish DU would look at threads like this and ban all of the right wing trolls Democat May 2016 #37

If everybody is so "concerned" about Trump beating Hillary Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #38

It is all up to the Indies and which way they trend. I meet Purveyor May 2016 #39

Clinton or Sanders had better campaign as if they could lose this. Complacency can be fatal. pampango May 2016 #41

Anything could happen & swing enuf indies or non voters to go trump Person 2713 May 2016 #42