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Chan790

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98. ...but is there a particular reason...

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:36 PM

May 2016

why enjoyment of small-batch artisan beer is a distinctly white or hipster thing? I can't see any reason why it would be.

People of all kinds of ethnic, socioeconomic and racial backgrounds like beer. You'd think there would be as many non-white people proportionately who were interested in making their own beer. It's not an expensive hobby. It doesn't require a lot of specialized training.

I can't see any reason craft beer would have a lower social buy-in rate among minorities than...say...ice hockey. (Which is expensive and requires at least a year of skating practice before you'd be good enough to play in even a recreational league.) And yet...ice hockey, probably the whitest sport on Earth, has a higher rate of social buy-in among minorities than interest in craft beer.

Assuming there's a reason beyond I have no idea what it is and from the standpoint of being someone interested in sociology and political theory...not being able to put my finger on the causes of social phenomena is discomforting. It suggests that the inherent factor of chaos in social sciences is higher than we want to believe.

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THERE ARE ALMOST NO BLACK PEOPLE BREWING CRAFT BEER. HERE'S WHY. [View all] HuckleB May 2016 OP

I am involved in the industry in northern CA ghostsinthemachine May 2016 #1

Indeed. HuckleB May 2016 #12

I'm a grocery retailer with an enormous craft portfolio. Codeine May 2016 #94

Where is this fine market of yours? HuckleB May 2016 #104

Riverside CA Codeine May 2016 #112

Well, that gives me some lead time to figure out how to dress. HuckleB May 2016 #113

There's a dress code for Riverside? What's next? Dinner attire for San Bernardino or Hemet!? villager May 2016 #130

Hey, man if the Riverside hipsters are lax, I'll go with boxers, white socks, and my big belly. HuckleB May 2016 #134

First in my class here at M.I.T. , Got skills, I'm a Champion of D&D snooper2 May 2016 #185

What the hell is craft beer? nt firebrand80 May 2016 #2

I thought that it was beer made from cheese Orrex May 2016 #8

They make cheesy beer and cheesy electronic music, don't they? FrodosPet May 2016 #43

That's pasteurized processed beer food. (nt) jeff47 May 2016 #126

Best beer in the world.. trumad May 2016 #42

an excuse ;) Locrian May 2016 #45

Beer that doesn't suck made by small companies. NutmegYankee May 2016 #71

a lot of things associated with hipsterism is WHITE La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #3

Hipsters drink Pabst, though. HuckleB May 2016 #13

grew up drinking pbr...did not know i r cool now dembotoz May 2016 #159

You are now the hippest of the hipster crowd! HuckleB May 2016 #169

So fucking right. How pathetic it all is. NOW do you get closeupready May 2016 #16

Not entirely sure what you are trying to say here tkmorris May 2016 #19

How are you so sure it's choice and not access La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #20

What exactly do you suspect is barring them from participation? TipTok May 2016 #70

Pretty certain it was sarcasm. They meant the opposite. cheapdate May 2016 #137

...but is there a particular reason... Chan790 May 2016 #98

From the article TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #107

That is the first time I have seen the term "neckbeard" outside of Reddit. Odin2005 May 2016 #193

I can't even enjoy a goddamn beer anymore? Jester Messiah May 2016 #138

Why does it matter? nt B2G May 2016 #4

because if you want to reduce racism, you have to look at where race matters and has an impact La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #6

Do you have any proof that blacks even WANT B2G May 2016 #9

Do you have proof of the opposite? La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #10

Well said. nt auntpurl May 2016 #11

Indeed. It's worthy of discussion, at the very least. HuckleB May 2016 #17

In a country where race determines so much La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #22

Yeah, I'm a bit astounded by some of the replies here. HuckleB May 2016 #83

I suspect not as much as you think... TipTok May 2016 #139

No studies only personal observation forthemiddle May 2016 #38

I'm officially convinced you're satire. LanternWaste May 2016 #26

I'M satire? B2G May 2016 #37

Didn't the Obamas make some of their own beer? LiberalArkie May 2016 #57

"being color blind is a modern form of perpetuating racism" DesMoinesDem May 2016 #33

pretending there are no disparities by being color blind does perpetuate racism La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #35

You can believe whatever crazy shit you want to believe. DesMoinesDem May 2016 #49

I think you don't know much about this subject ... kwassa May 2016 #59

I suspect what you think you know about the subject is nonsense. DesMoinesDem May 2016 #67

You might want to explore the matter further. HuckleB May 2016 #75

I couldn't care less what bullshit idiots are pushing today. DesMoinesDem May 2016 #77

Are you sure you're on the right forum for you? HuckleB May 2016 #81

No lack of curiosity or desire to understand here. DesMoinesDem May 2016 #88

Well, you say one thing, but you're doing another. HuckleB May 2016 #89

I have a preconception 1939 May 2016 #91

and where do your preconceptions come from? kwassa May 2016 #102

Going into a lot of Vietnamese and Chinese groceries/gift shops/curio shops 1939 May 2016 #149

Then there is no pre in your conception. Your evidence is empiric. kwassa May 2016 #163

No, but 1939 May 2016 #167

Thanks for showing us that you don't really want to think about this issue. HuckleB May 2016 #103

No, just no understanding on your part, and no ability on your part to present an argument. kwassa May 2016 #90

You sound like a stereotypical "brogressive" from Reddit. Odin2005 May 2016 #194

You remind me of my state's governor. yardwork May 2016 #115

I see color because I'm not blind but I don't care... TipTok May 2016 #140

You don't get it, either. kwassa May 2016 #144

I understand perfectly... TipTok May 2016 #146

and how is racism being perpetuated? kwassa May 2016 #162

When you look at someone and make a determination about them just based on the color of their skin.. TipTok May 2016 #170

Who is doing that? we are talking about the colorblind concept. kwassa May 2016 #171

That's exactly what I said... TipTok May 2016 #174

There are lots of people whose careers depend upon the continuing existence of racism. Nye Bevan May 2016 #44

My favorite minimizer of racial issues. Thank you for elucidating your thesis. kwassa May 2016 #53

Good post. HuckleB May 2016 #55

ok, that beign said DonCoquixote May 2016 #97

hey good news DonCoquixote May 2016 #110

yes, I found some articles like this I posted links to down at the bottom of this thread. kwassa May 2016 #136

It's funny Dorian Gray May 2016 #183

Bud is just a weaker beer DonCoquixote May 2016 #184

Yep. DesMoinesDem May 2016 #68

Not really, no. HuckleB May 2016 #106

So what is the "impact" of a particular minority generally choosing not to participate wickerwoman May 2016 #147

did you read the article? La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #178

I'm black and I love craft beer. vdogg May 2016 #5

if i may inquire maxsolomon May 2016 #30

Cost and culture vdogg May 2016 #64

i'm not thinking about brewing it maxsolomon May 2016 #65

1 or 2 dollars more is not that prohibitive. vdogg May 2016 #92

well, it's not much of a part of my experience anymore maxsolomon May 2016 #93

Have you ever been harassed? philosslayer May 2016 #197

When I got my PhD back in 1990, I suddenly found that I could afford good beer or bad wine. stone space May 2016 #7

Yeah I stopped to laugh at that name too! Cursive May 2016 #142

If blacks are a tiny minority of craft beer drinkers, then this is not a surprise FLPanhandle May 2016 #14

It's what we in $iliValley would call a "bootstrap problem" KamaAina May 2016 #18

Great story, thanks! HuckleB May 2016 #21

Problem with the brewers in Mexico is they don't have any good water snooper2 May 2016 #39

Well, not as much as the Northwest KamaAina May 2016 #40

Sorry, but whatever the issue is, it's not diversity of styles skepticscott May 2016 #152

The video game industry has the same problem with regards to women gamers. Odin2005 May 2016 #195

Good read, thank you nemo137 May 2016 #15

Maybe they know better than to waste nine bucks on a crappy IPA. Throd May 2016 #23

And no black guys AT ALL in Black Metal, Codeine May 2016 #108

Luckily, the same cannot be said for Black Violin. HuckleB May 2016 #116

Not a lot, true OriginalGeek May 2016 #123

I see threads like this as a very encouraging sign. Nye Bevan May 2016 #24

continued segregation is what often leads to both big disparities (education) and minor disparities La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #25

Craft beer jayschool May 2016 #27

i am not name calling, it is a hipster movement, one that i approve/like La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #31

I disagree that it's a "hipster movement" cyberswede May 2016 #60

Yeah, I'm not sure about that theory either. HuckleB May 2016 #63

Because drinking shit beer is "ironic". Odin2005 May 2016 #196

Fair point La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #85

THANK YOU! TransitJohn May 2016 #191

Except that the whitest areas in the US 1939 May 2016 #36

What about coffee? Black People Don�t Drink Coffee snooper2 May 2016 #41

There's many microbreweries and craft beer bars in my area. HooptieWagon May 2016 #28

I actually prefer to drink Mexican beer worstexever May 2016 #29

!Bienvenidos al DU! KamaAina May 2016 #32

I'm hoping to find some in July OriginalGeek May 2016 #129

Look for Victoria beer worstexever May 2016 #168

That's going on the list! OriginalGeek May 2016 #182

Interesting post, thanks for the article n/t hibbing May 2016 #34

I was looking for a good specialty malt liquor just the other day and couldn't find anything. bluedigger May 2016 #46

Olde English 800 never disappoints me. Throd May 2016 #47

We always went for the Green Monster (Haffenreffer) in my neck of the woods. bluedigger May 2016 #54

Depends on where you live.... mikeysnot May 2016 #48

That's good to see! HuckleB May 2016 #50

I'll have to see if I can find it. nemo137 May 2016 #52

people who don't know craft beers don't know what they're missing elias7 May 2016 #51

Location, location. romanic May 2016 #56

It doesn't appear that you even read the first paragraph. HuckleB May 2016 #58

I prefer forming an opinion without reading the article in question. Kaleva May 2016 #122

It is a time saver!!! HuckleB May 2016 #127

Hill Farmstead. The hippest beer of them all cali May 2016 #61

Why is the American story of nature and conservation so white? HuckleB May 2016 #62

This is already becoming a DU classic! KamaAina May 2016 #66

Not quite "spiderwoman's ass" yet, though. Nye Bevan May 2016 #72

I don't drink craft beer with you. name not needed May 2016 #73

Hmm. HuckleB May 2016 #74

Wait until door buzzards drink craft beer n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #95

I don't drink personally, so there's that... Blue_Tires May 2016 #69

With all of the problems in this country you are worried about this? virgogal May 2016 #76

It's more of a discussion of why some areas are not integrated. HuckleB May 2016 #79

Thank you for posting this. tymorial May 2016 #78

I Had a Suitemate in College from Nigeria On the Road May 2016 #80

The obsession with IPAs is getting ridiculous, IMO. Odin2005 May 2016 #198

I learned to make homade wine, OkSustainAg May 2016 #82

Cool. HuckleB May 2016 #84

That's the ones I'm talking about. OkSustainAg May 2016 #86

That doesn't come close to answering my question. HuckleB May 2016 #87

All beer tastes like goat piss ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #96

So, you have experience drinking goat piss. kwassa May 2016 #99

That's only the goats who chew wild Belgian yeasts Codeine May 2016 #105

I think you mean goat cheese matched with a fine Imperial Stout. HuckleB May 2016 #109

Black-Owned Craft Beer Company Gets Premium Placement in Wal-Mart kwassa May 2016 #100

Blacks in Wine, Beer and Spirits kwassa May 2016 #101

if there were more blacks into microbrewing, would that be cultural appropriation? Bucky May 2016 #111

I can only hope that you think this is a joke. HuckleB May 2016 #114

How is that not funny? Bucky May 2016 #117

Derp. HuckleB May 2016 #118

telling me I'm ignorant of something and then passing up a chance to inform me... Bucky May 2016 #119

I'd call that a chance for you to back off an explore the issues. HuckleB May 2016 #120

I would call it their MO. U4ikLefty May 2016 #190

Weak sauce. Codeine May 2016 #121

hmmm Bucky May 2016 #124

There were three people in the bar? Depaysement May 2016 #125

Of course, you could have read the piece instead of just a few sentences. HuckleB May 2016 #128

You could have read my entire post Depaysement May 2016 #131

Nice try. HuckleB May 2016 #132

Time for me to find another poster to join Depaysement May 2016 #133

Cool. HuckleB May 2016 #135

You'll see Blacks and Latinos at the two micro breweries nearest to me. denbot May 2016 #141

interesting read fizzgig May 2016 #143

It's not a true craft beer unless it's GMO-free. U4ikLefty May 2016 #145

Could it be the "$9 stout" part? jmowreader May 2016 #148

Interesting, is there any particular reason for African-Americans prefering lagers? Odin2005 May 2016 #199

Maybe it's that they're not British or Irish? jmowreader May 2016 #201

Thanks! Odin2005 May 2016 #202

I would say it is proof of the intelligence difference whistler162 May 2016 #150

We don't have microbreweries over here. Bad Dog May 2016 #151

We have loads of microbreweries! T_i_B May 2016 #154

We don't call them that. Bad Dog May 2016 #156

Some do call themselves micro breweries T_i_B May 2016 #157

Someone needs to have a word with them. Bad Dog May 2016 #158

I quite like a lot of the US wannabes T_i_B May 2016 #160

The bloke who runs the beer shop in Southampton. (It's like an offie, but only sells beer,) Bad Dog May 2016 #161

Often the case T_i_B May 2016 #164

The biggest independent brewery around here is in Ringwood. Bad Dog May 2016 #165

The biggest one near me is Thornbridge T_i_B May 2016 #172

There are definite regional differences. Bad Dog May 2016 #173

Some of the best Breweries in Britain are in that area T_i_B May 2016 #175

I've noticed a hoppier trend. Bad Dog May 2016 #177

That trend has been going for a few years now. T_i_B May 2016 #179

There's always the other member of the hop family. Bad Dog May 2016 #180

One other thing about Thornbridge... T_i_B May 2016 #203

I'd forgotten all about that. Bad Dog May 2016 #204

We've also got Badger. Bad Dog May 2016 #187

Bristol Beer Factory beers T_i_B May 2016 #188

Thank you. Bad Dog May 2016 #189

Went to the beer shop today. Bad Dog May 2016 #192

Cultural differences. There aren't any economic barriers on this topic. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #153

Garrett Oliver? T_i_B May 2016 #155

Interesting article - thank you! hatrack May 2016 #166

Any time! HuckleB May 2016 #181

Few do wine tasting as well winetourdriver May 2016 #176

Maybe they're worried about a repeat of the Napa Valley Wine Train fiasco KamaAina May 2016 #186

Super-interesting article, not something I really thought about, before! Odin2005 May 2016 #200