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In reply to the discussion: R.I.P. TTIP? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)28. National sovereignty is a means to an end, not an end in itself. In the UK the far-right
is trying to exit from the EU while unions want to stay in to preserve workers' right that are part of EU membership. The right, of course, maintains that membership in the EU weakens the UK's sovereign right to weaken workers' rights if it wants to. Workers' rights are more than national sovereignty.
Handing control of social organization and the establishment of public policy over to corporations, eliminates sovereignty and subordinates the principles of democracy and self-determination to the greedy desires of elites.
Your view of the American sovereign government as a force that resists "Handing control of social organization and the establishment of public policy over to corporations ... and subordinates the principles of democracy and self-determination to the greedy desires of elites" is very quaint. Many of us view the government as quite the opposite - a captive of corporations and the greedy elites.
In fact, any international agreement limits 'national sovereignty'. If the climate change agreements are successful we lose the sovereign right to built as many coal-fired power plants as we would like. In the Iran nuclear deal, Iran gave up some 'sovereign' right to develop certain weapons in exchange for something else.
Progressive countries can sign international agreements that sacrifice national sovereignty in return for something they value more.
Trump wants to tear up all of our international agreements. I do not look at him as any kind of pro-worker liberal.
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Yep, Bernie has his work cut out for him. Fillibustering all her horrible policy ideas.
GummyBearz
May 2016
#29
It does sound like continuing to have the WTO govern things is preferable to TTIP.
pampango
May 2016
#4
It's not just France. The TTIP is about as popular in Europe as George W. Bush was.
marmar
May 2016
#6
It's terrible for the workers and the environment and citizen control on on both sides.
Arugula Latte
May 2016
#25
the whole point of the T-deals is to lower regulations and wages to the lowest common denominator
Baobab
May 2016
#44
Yes basically that true but we need to understand that poor countries have been strung along for 20
Baobab
May 2016
#45
National sovereignty is a means to an end, not an end in itself. In the UK the far-right
pampango
May 2016
#28
I'd say that whether an issue should be decided locally or federally depends on the issue.
JDPriestly
May 2016
#52
It depends on the issue. We would very much like to ban fracking in California.
JDPriestly
May 2016
#54