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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
73. The Crack Heard Round the World
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-crack-heard-round-the-world/

"In January, Melbourne chiropractor Ian Rossborough uploaded a video to YouTube of himself treating a 4-day-old premature infant. The video, one of many that can be found on his “Chiropractic Excellence” channel, is for educational purposes only, intended to teach the world about the miraculous benefits of chiropractic care for a wide variety of conditions. Although the cynical among us may proclaim that his videos are just more examples of chiropractic practice building shenanigans, Rossborough claims that he simply wants to “enable natural healthy living, without resorting to drugs or surgery.”

Australian physicians respond

Well, there are apparently a lot of angry and cynical Australians, particularly journalists and physicians. In late April, the video, which features Rossborough manipulating the newborn’s thoracic spine hard enough to cause a loud cracking sound and a cry of pain went viral after it was featured in a story on Australian Broadcasting Corporation Radio National. Rossborough, and the treatment of children by chiropractors, has since come under intense scrutiny.

According to the Australian press, “doctors have declared war on chiropractors” in response to the realization that newborns and young infants are undergoing unnecessary spinal manipulation for problems such as colic, acid reflux, and excessive crying as well as for nebulous benefits like boosting the immune system and improved growth and development. The Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, the largest medical college in Australia with a membership of over 30,000 rural and urban primary care physicians, has even requested that members refrain from referring patients to chiropractors. They want the federal government and private insurers to stop paying for nonsense such as infant chiropractic.

Frank Jones MD, president of the RACGP, has made the media rounds, describing infant and toddler adjustments as “seemingly almost cruel” and lacking any supporting evidence. He has also called for the Chiropractic Board of Australia to shape up in order to have any chance of being accepted as a legitimate scientific discipline. Jones thinks that chiropractors like Rossborough and his ilk don’t know what they are doing and are putting patients at risk. He reminds the public that a physician’s job is to advocate for patients and to try to reduce exposure to practices where the risk far exceeds any potential benefit. I like this guy.

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Veterinary Boards have gone after them for doing so on small dogs & cats as well, not to mention hlthe2b May 2016 #1
I have patients with back pain coming in all the time wanting a referral to a chiropractor. Aristus May 2016 #2
The argument against chiropractic is that D D Palmer was wrong! longship May 2016 #5
I have used chiroprators and physical therapists 1939 May 2016 #7
The difference in your case is the difference between protocol of care and standard of care. Aristus May 2016 #11
You had a poor PT. HuckleB May 2016 #15
I also had an unethical doctor 1939 May 2016 #38
Uh, unless they do something a PT would do, chiropractic is off the table. HuckleB May 2016 #39
And I have never seen a chiropractor who didn't sell supplements. Archae May 2016 #51
Or band-AIDS sold to keep "pressure points." HuckleB May 2016 #54
I prefer my chiropractor to... Xolodno May 2016 #3
My brother-in-law would love to talk to you, about the "carpal tunnel rage." Archae May 2016 #9
Probably was legit. Xolodno May 2016 #12
Doc told me i had "carpal tunnel" except i had numbness in the last two fingers 1939 May 2016 #40
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #4
Do you have a point? Archae May 2016 #6
Only the one that is obvious. ronnie624 May 2016 #10
Offense accepted. Archae May 2016 #13
Die-hard chiropractor fans CountAllVotes May 2016 #8
Twenty Things Most Chiropractors Won’t Tell You HuckleB May 2016 #14
No doubt there are unscrupulous chiropractors, just as there are unscrupulous MD's. Scuba May 2016 #16
Just because some medical centers offer something, doesn't make it right for them to do so. HuckleB May 2016 #17
And just because one chiropractor is a quack doesn't mean all are. Scuba May 2016 #18
Do you understand the basis for the whole "profession?" HuckleB May 2016 #20
Let's see, who should I trust? An anonymous internet poster or ... Scuba May 2016 #21
You can go with whatever you want to go. HuckleB May 2016 #22
I spent more than 30 years as a hospital administrator. I know a little about the topic. Scuba May 2016 #23
It doesn't look like it to me. HuckleB May 2016 #24
Blind faith? Nope. Perhaps you should read the links you provided ... Scuba May 2016 #27
Again, when they do what a PT does, as was already noted HuckleB May 2016 #33
Talk about blind! Scuba May 2016 #35
ROFLMAO!!! HuckleB May 2016 #36
It's a lot like arguing with an anti-vaxxer. Xolodno May 2016 #26
They either don't read, or don't understand, the links they post .... Scuba May 2016 #28
Again, you are completely misrepresenting what I've posted, and what you've posted. HuckleB May 2016 #34
The irony is rather rich with this. HuckleB May 2016 #32
I think there needs to be some sort of distinction made here. NuclearDem May 2016 #30
Unfortunately, the quack parts of alt med are getting play in all too many places. HuckleB May 2016 #37
Except that most PTs I have seen are incompetent 1939 May 2016 #42
I don't buy it. HuckleB May 2016 #43
In the tiny town where I was born, a chiropractor set up practice Cirque du So-What May 2016 #19
Here's another good reason Orrex May 2016 #25
Yep. progressoid May 2016 #31
I ended up replying in the other thread gollygee May 2016 #29
If an MD had a malpractice case would that make you dead-set against all MD's? pnwmom May 2016 #41
Sciatica usually only improves on its own, over time. HuckleB May 2016 #44
I also saw an Osteopath instantly fix one of my children, whose spine came out pnwmom May 2016 #47
And more anecdotes. HuckleB May 2016 #48
I trusted my doctor, who partnered with the osteopath, and witnessed the results pnwmom May 2016 #49
Thanks for the continued anecdote and the cherry picked link. HuckleB May 2016 #53
The World Health Organization. A "cherry picked link." pnwmom May 2016 #56
So you believe everything the WHO says. HuckleB May 2016 #57
Unlike you, I avoid broad, sweeping, black and white statements. pnwmom May 2016 #58
Hogwash. HuckleB May 2016 #62
SCIENCE!!! U4ikLefty May 2016 #67
Derp. HuckleB May 2016 #70
That is way too simplistic. There are multiple reasons and areas of the sciatic nerve that can uppityperson May 2016 #76
It is, and it isn't. HuckleB May 2016 #77
Huh, promoting untrained chiropracty? Weird. uppityperson May 2016 #78
Yeah, that's not the point. HuckleB May 2016 #79
No, I don't wonder that at all. kentauros May 2016 #45
So you think scams are cool? HuckleB May 2016 #46
septic Skittles May 2016 #55
Go deeper kentauros May 2016 #60
septic as a noun? Skittles May 2016 #61
It's a play on words. kentauros May 2016 #64
ahhhhhhhh Skittles May 2016 #66
No, you're not. kentauros May 2016 #68
I spent over forty years as a bricklayer. panader0 May 2016 #50
What the fuck are subluxations? longship May 2016 #52
There are sport horses in my barn who get definitive relief from the veterinary chiropractic work. riderinthestorm May 2016 #59
Yes, they can. HuckleB May 2016 #63
They either get relief or not. The placebo effect is moot. riderinthestorm May 2016 #65
Not true. HuckleB May 2016 #69
David Ramey is not credible. The AVMA has approved chiro, acupuncture and PT as effective riderinthestorm May 2016 #71
Quack treatments invade many places, but it doesn't make them worthy. HuckleB May 2016 #72
More... HuckleB May 2016 #74
The Crack Heard Round the World HuckleB May 2016 #73
Post #4, x100. Why many here refuse to engage you any longer. closeupready May 2016 #75
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