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MisterFred

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51. Don't dismiss the complexity.

Sat May 7, 2016, 12:04 PM

May 2016

Is RT using American progressives to add legitimacy to what is a propaganda outlet? Yes.

But from the point of view of American commentators on RT, it's a great deal. They get a big outlet with no editorial censoring. They're already doing their part BY being free and independent.

So ignore RT's standard news operations, sure. But don't neglect their commentators. They haven't submitted to Kremlin control.

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What's the difference American propaganda from the Koch bros or Wall Street. LiberalArkie May 2016 #62

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Well, if you think the Guardian and BBC don't have... MattSh May 2016 #116

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This here ^ nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #54

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...! The Decline of Media and Investigative Reporting Goes On! KoKo May 2016 #100

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Bingo! nt valerief May 2016 #86

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Unholy Moly! zentrum May 2016 #25

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Not Stryder May 2016 #29

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K and R nt Rebkeh May 2016 #42

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