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Egnever

(21,506 posts)
79. There is a frightening scenario in that.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

I will let another poster lay it out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7812446

Neither Trump nor Clinton is acceptable to them.

The reasons for running a third candidate are twofold:

1. The electoral college requirement that the president receive an absolute majority of electoral votes (270) makes it so that if a very strong third candidate is running, then all 3 candidates are likely to not receive 270 votes. In that case, the Republican controlled House of Representatives picks the President. They will pick the Republican-backed third candidate.

2. There is actually a decent chance in this climate that such a candidate could win the electoral votes outright, but only if a MASSIVE GOTV campaign was started immediately (this is where the Koch brothers make their first entrance), because the 3rd candidate will need overwhelming numbers of voters to win under those conditions. They will need to push absentee ballots, early voting and same day registration in every strongly controlled Republican state that currently allows them (Ironic since Repubs have tried to disenfranchise us Dem voters by stifling early voting and same day registration) in order to garner those kind of numbers. In only strongly held Republican controlled states that don't yet have those laws they will need to have the Republican State Legislators quickly enact them. They will need to appeal to Independents who are moderate conservatives to pull this off and that is where the Koch brothers money comes in again--with ads--and they need to be 3/4 negative ads against the other 2 candidates and 1/4 positive re the 3rd candidate.) They will need to get this going before the end of this month to make it work and they will need to convince every Republican they can to withdraw all financial, infrastructure, and physical support from the Republican convention that they can that is not already under contract-ads, businesses, moderate down-ticket candidates, media etc. Bring a dark curtain down on it.

That's the strategy to save their party and get an acceptable candidate in.
Great. I hope every one who ran for POTUS this time starts his or her own party. merrily May 2016 #1
If only the Democratic Party vt_native May 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #3
Your comment is unwarranted and disgusting. ViseGrip May 2016 #33
Your comment is unwarranted and disgusting. stonecutter357 May 2016 #52
Strong women are generally considered less "likable." It's a thing with some men. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #58
She's less likeable because she's less trustworthy... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #78
That's just the perception with Hillary. Fact checkers say she's one of the more truthful. pnwmom May 2016 #80
That's a good one...you're funny! tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #82
www.politifact.com pnwmom May 2016 #83
What she says, and what she really means are two... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #87
The limousine liberal world. Katashi_itto May 2016 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Esse Quam Videri May 2016 #4
Are you available to be drafted as the Democratic Party's real Democrat? 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #7
We already did. IamMab May 2016 #15
Ah, the "no true scotsmans" argument FLPanhandle May 2016 #26
You know that your statement runs counter to all Democratic values, right? A majority Squinch May 2016 #35
DINOs are easy to run when you have corporate backers. Katashi_itto May 2016 #56
Um, no. It's that not enough people like your candidate. By a factor of multiple millions. Squinch May 2016 #61
Gosh, he did. Looks like the country will be in for a shitty four years. But hey your corporate Katashi_itto May 2016 #64
Does it mean you are going to go away? Squinch May 2016 #65
No Katashi_itto May 2016 #66
You mean you aren't going to do a GBCW thread and leave DU in a flurry of fury at the oligarchs? Squinch May 2016 #67
Honestly why don't you give some thought to these limp wristed comebacks. Katashi_itto May 2016 #68
Limp wristed, huh? And of course you don't see it as a victory. That's because you lost. Squinch May 2016 #69
God more mouth breathing? Katashi_itto May 2016 #71
The end game is clear Egnever May 2016 #72
Yup. La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #75
I think they are in the minority of BS supporters, but they certainly are obnoxious. Squinch May 2016 #88
I thought Bernie out raised and out spent Hillary La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #74
Corporate backers do not mean just money. Katashi_itto May 2016 #76
News Flash! Dems don't want Bernie period! They want a Democrat. leftofcool May 2016 #81
Well, that lets Hillary out. Katashi_itto May 2016 #85
Obama clearly ran to the left of Hillary, but governed like the Second Clinton. For the life of me, WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #92
I could see them doing that. I think at this point they are fighting to sufrommich May 2016 #5
Yup! Here are the 10 top names on #NeverTrump list. Hortensis May 2016 #11
I figured Romney, but Paul is an interesting choice. thesquanderer May 2016 #20
Maybe it depends on who they want to pull more votes from. thesquanderer May 2016 #23
Could that be an asset in these angry days? Even Hortensis May 2016 #37
They want to run a strong candidate with a chance of beating Clinton and Trump. The OP is wrong. JimDandy May 2016 #60
Other people they could put up... thesquanderer May 2016 #24
Add Scott Walker malaise May 2016 #62
I didn't remember that Johnson was the libertarian candidate. That could have legs. thesquanderer May 2016 #91
Nope. Not going to happen. vi5 May 2016 #6
Vi5, it IS happening. Google "third party run" Hortensis May 2016 #9
It's 6 months away..... vi5 May 2016 #10
Remember, they don't have to get on all state ballots Hortensis May 2016 #12
"govern from the center" vi5 May 2016 #13
I enjoyed the worry about "increasingly powerful left wing." Hortensis May 2016 #16
Forgot to mention, I'll be happy if you're right. :) Hortensis May 2016 #32
I think the calculation is going on now gratuitous May 2016 #36
People as disparate as Bill Kristol and Eric Erickson Hortensis May 2016 #8
Yes. All they need to do is find a candidate who can throw it to the house, no need to win outright. thesquanderer May 2016 #21
THIS!!!!!! hamsterjill May 2016 #25
Texas, Florida... thesquanderer May 2016 #30
Paul Ryan hamsterjill May 2016 #34
Speaking of libertarians: The Libertarian PARTY Hortensis May 2016 #51
That's one of 2 "all"s, though. The other is Hortensis May 2016 #31
I don't see how they could possibly pull it off. Midwestern Democrat May 2016 #48
It's not specifically about the swing states, it's also about the blue-ish ones. thesquanderer May 2016 #57
I don't think anyone is going to take that chance. Nitram May 2016 #14
You don't believe they can prevent Trump from Hortensis May 2016 #17
No Hortensis, that is not what I said. I said that a third party conservative candidate Nitram May 2016 #18
Oh, sorry. Sure. A symbolic run could be paid for Hortensis May 2016 #19
Ahh no, it doesn't work that way. former9thward May 2016 #38
Um, dark money ads can generate a lot of donations. Hortensis May 2016 #39
No, other candidates can't. former9thward May 2016 #42
True, forgot that important little limitation. Hortensis May 2016 #43
It's a complex political calculus Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #46
I've never even heard of Ben Sasse. And I'm a political junkie. KamaAina May 2016 #22
Me either, but apparently he's very well regarded Hortensis May 2016 #28
Young, very conservative Senator from Nebraska Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #47
I will believe it when someone declares their intention to run. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #27
what a crazy year oldandhappy May 2016 #29
I think I'd be really afraid to fall asleep again! Hortensis May 2016 #53
Who would it be? The republicans themselves didn't seem to like any of the "real" republicans that hughee99 May 2016 #40
Just saw this on Twitter octoberlib May 2016 #41
This begs the question Egnever May 2016 #44
Good point. But what if it was a very high-road campaign, Hortensis May 2016 #49
I think this is the scenario they would be shooting for. Egnever May 2016 #73
they didn't care to save the nation from Dubya Skittles May 2016 #45
Didn't save from? Didn't they ELECT that buffoon twice? Hortensis May 2016 #50
I think it would be interesting if they do... Many have said, if there are 2 Pub candidates in the glowing May 2016 #54
I'll bet you..... sendero May 2016 #59
Can they set the rules for the convention still, have delegates free to vote any way they want? L. Coyote May 2016 #63
If that happens, hopefully that candidate will eat into Trump's votes GOPblows431 May 2016 #70
split their vote all the way to the polls and a democratic win! Demonaut May 2016 #77
There is a frightening scenario in that. Egnever May 2016 #79
Ben Sasse has rejected Running as a 3rd Party Presidential Candidate. Feathery Scout May 2016 #84
If fRump got most of the gop vote in primaries, why would those voters change? lindysalsagal May 2016 #86
my understanding is that it is too late to get on a lot of ballots dembotoz May 2016 #89
Not Likely, Republicans Know This Would Hand Democrat's The Election Corey_Baker08 May 2016 #90
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