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Kelvin Mace

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22. Innocent people are dead due to our continuing an illegal invasion

Sun May 8, 2016, 02:51 PM

May 2016

started by Bush. We have now been at war long than any time ever in American history, and once again, an illegal war of aggression that has ZERO moral justification. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people are dead, and you think that expressing moral outrage about it is "ridiculous".

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Doctors Without Borders Pulls Out Of World Humanitarian Summit, Says It No Longer Has Hope [View all] uhnope May 2016 OP

Very sad commentary. 7wo7rees May 2016 #1

And the United States is a major culprit. Kelvin Mace May 2016 #2

Negligence vs. intent. MH1 May 2016 #3

Ask the families of the dead if "intent" makes a tinker's damn Kelvin Mace May 2016 #9

It all makes sense when you swallow Fairgo May 2016 #19

Agreed, Kelvin Mace May 2016 #24

lol what a ridiculous argument uhnope May 2016 #21

Innocent people are dead due to our continuing an illegal invasion Kelvin Mace May 2016 #22

Afghanistan was far from a illegal invasion. EX500rider May 2016 #34

I think he was referring to the War in Iraq. Aristus May 2016 #36

Even the Iraq War was following anmUN resolution. If that was an illegal war what constitutes a Akicita May 2016 #49

One actually declared by Congress. AllyCat May 2016 #57

Good point. Even though Hillary and Congress approved the war they never declared war. Akicita May 2016 #59

And who funded the Taliban back in the 80s? Kelvin Mace May 2016 #43

What does that have to do with anything? We funded the Soviets and gave them weapons in the '40's Akicita May 2016 #46

9/11 wasn't Pearl Harbor Kelvin Mace May 2016 #53

No one? Since the Taliban wasn't founded till circa 1994. EX500rider May 2016 #47

Many of the same players Kelvin Mace May 2016 #52

I love that argument of "we then forgot about Afghanistan"... EX500rider May 2016 #55

"Terrorist acts against the Soviets'? whathehell May 2016 #90

One man's freedom fight is another man's terrorist Kelvin Mace May 2016 #91

Lol...So you think the Soviets were "freedom fighters"? whathehell May 2016 #94

I think you have the two reversed ... brett_jv May 2016 #97

I don't think so.. whathehell May 2016 #124

Are we being deliberately obtuse Kelvin Mace May 2016 #108

Um, no.. whathehell May 2016 #123

Bush was offered Osama by the Taliban and he refused, and instead single-handedly started the war. Akamai May 2016 #81

The US offer was to hand him over to us or face the consequences... EX500rider May 2016 #103

W needed the war in Iraq to gain political power here at home so he could Actor May 2016 #126

We were actually discussing Afghanistan, not Iraq EX500rider May 2016 #127

Be that as it may, it is good to remember that W and Cheney are war criminals Actor May 2016 #128

Oh yeah? I was responding to the poster who said that Afghanistan was far from an illegal invasion. Akamai May 2016 #129

How exactly would "smashing" several thousand al qaeda & their Taliban protectors.. EX500rider May 2016 #130

it was every bit as illegal as Iraq, and for the same reason stupidicus May 2016 #85

Countries need no UN anything to defend themselves from further attack once they have been attacked EX500rider May 2016 #102

meaningless garbage that in no way rebuts the "illegality" claim stupidicus May 2016 #107

Sorry, defensive warfare requires nothing from the UN. EX500rider May 2016 #109

nonsense stupidicus May 2016 #110

Nonsense right back at ya. EX500rider May 2016 #111

that's all you have alrighty stupidicus May 2016 #114

Wow, some article written by a student...that's convincing...lol EX500rider May 2016 #116

thanks for conceding again you have no rebuttal to the "illegal" stupidicus May 2016 #117

Afghanistan did NOT attack the USA. bvar22 May 2016 #100

No, the Taliban allowed Al Qaeda to set up shop and used them as enforcers. EX500rider May 2016 #101

The 99.999% of "innocent" Afghans I mention are DEAD, and their families destroyed. bvar22 May 2016 #104

Law Enforcement? EX500rider May 2016 #106

One major problem with your word salad justification for WAR in Afghanistan. bvar22 May 2016 #112

"...and that was a handful of Saudi criminals." EX500rider May 2016 #113

If you remember, the moral justification for the Iraq invasion was that Saddam Hussein had chemical Akicita May 2016 #38

The "justification" for invading Iraq was a lie Kelvin Mace May 2016 #42

Then one wonders why Hussein didn't accede to the UN demands that he allow UN weapons inpectors in. Akicita May 2016 #45

I believe he was afraid of the Iranians.... EX500rider May 2016 #48

That's probably right. Thanks. Akicita May 2016 #50

What are you two even talking about? brett_jv May 2016 #99

Bottom line Kelvin Mace May 2016 #54

Hussein did let them in! bigmonkey May 2016 #66

Thank you for dispelling the misinformation. Enthusiast May 2016 #71

rightwing talking points on DU -- for shame!!!!! stupidicus May 2016 #88

Huh! Very informative. Thanks. Akicita May 2016 #92

Reflexive sloganeering is a pathetic argument. cali May 2016 #67

Which may or may not be the reason families of the dead don't decide sentences in criminal trials. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #73

Again, Kelvin Mace May 2016 #75

Yes, I got that the first time around. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #76

Intent matters in the legal system Kelvin Mace May 2016 #78

That was certainly impassioned. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #82

What pretty words to cover horrible acts! Silver_Witch May 2016 #83

Cover how? Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #93

Cover with cowardice and horror Silver_Witch May 2016 #119

Seriously. What are you talking about? Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #122

You better hope a mad bomber doesn't have a problem with your neighbor. Then again if A Simple Game May 2016 #29

Doesn't matter - dead is dead. 840high May 2016 #51

Negligence becomes intentional when willfully failing to learn from or internalize the consequences. Chan790 May 2016 #77

if the enemy is thought to be in a building, wendylaroux May 2016 #79

That's our fault too... charliea May 2016 #84

There should still be a penalty LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #95

Ahhh greiner3 May 2016 #98

another baseless "america sucks" post uhnope May 2016 #5

Did or did not the US Kelvin Mace May 2016 #7

ah jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez uhnope May 2016 #10

You are the supremely naive one if you support the WOT. stillwaiting May 2016 #16

Je Suis Charlie uhnope May 2016 #18

Right on. We should just submit. Akicita May 2016 #39

warmongering is not for just rightwingers anymore stupidicus May 2016 #86

Yeah it is some just refuse to admit where they stand. TheKentuckian May 2016 #105

The least bloody way of murdering people is still murder Kelvin Mace May 2016 #23

now you cynically play the bigotry card uhnope May 2016 #25

Yeah pottedplant May 2016 #27

Oh my. Do you hear the words you are parroting...... SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #30

Hillarians sound just like the bushies. I wonder how many of them have loved the slaughter Doctor_J May 2016 #58

You're pushing the same crap Doctors Without Borders are refusing to take part in. jhart3333 May 2016 #33

If the schoolgirls just quit going to school they won't be killed. If we all submit we will not be Akicita May 2016 #40

Well I suppose you haven't heard maindawg May 2016 #31

I like how you made this conspiracy theory uhnope May 2016 #121

Unfortunately, there is plenty to criticize in US foreign poicy. Redwoods Red May 2016 #8

it's not baseless... wildbilln864 May 2016 #13

it often does stupidicus May 2016 #89

Yup. nt stevenleser May 2016 #96

I cannot tell this place from a rightwing cesspool anymore Matariki May 2016 #120

This is enough of a tragedy without the Hortensis May 2016 #37

If it were your family dead Kelvin Mace May 2016 #41

My dismissal is of your unfortunate reaction. Hortensis May 2016 #44

Way to shirk reality. cali May 2016 #68

Humanity? lsewpershad May 2016 #4

This just makes my heart sink cali May 2016 #6

Mine too. Very much so. nt. polly7 May 2016 #11

Same here. Heartbreaking. MerryBlooms May 2016 #14

Wow Tsiyu May 2016 #12

We need a sea change Hydra May 2016 #15

And this is what to expect to continue if we support the status quo. More wars rhett o rick May 2016 #17

Amen. +1, Rhett. PoliticalMalcontent May 2016 #26

Precisely. Enthusiast May 2016 #72

I agree with them malaise May 2016 #20

Global capitalism is a true expression of "the banality of evil." bjo59 May 2016 #28

Long live Arendt burrowowl May 2016 #63

Well, it is the current expression of that. And perhaps not the worst. GliderGuider May 2016 #69

The US is a big part of the problem EdwardBernays May 2016 #32

If you google "u.s bombed doctors without borders hospitals" Duppers May 2016 #60

That's a lot of bombs. Akicita May 2016 #61

google results, not bombs. Duppers May 2016 #62

I know. Just wondering what the relevance of the number of google hits is? Akicita May 2016 #64

If you google "Mobile Alabama" Glassunion May 2016 #115

There's much knowledge out there of these bombings. Duppers May 2016 #118

My point was that the volume of google results on a given search Glassunion May 2016 #125

What a tragedy GOPblows431 May 2016 #35

Sad commentary and situation, how many mistakes can be made without believing something more ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #56

K&R emsimon33 May 2016 #65

"expendable commodities, dead or alive" democrank May 2016 #70

Very tragic. zentrum May 2016 #74

Hell, doc, wars are an expendable commodity... malthaussen May 2016 #80

both extremely sad and disgusting stupidicus May 2016 #87