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LAS14

(15,570 posts) Tue May 10, 2016, 10:04 AM May 2016

Question about the NC Bathroom Law [View all]

Can someone give me a detailed or nuanced explanation of the government’s position on the NC Bathroom Law? I understand that it is not OK to restrict people’s behavior to the gender on their birth certificate. And I don’t have a problem with people using bathrooms based on their social identity (appearance is bathroom appropriate). But what is the government’s position on the possibility of a biological male (a person with a penis) using the women’s and girls’ shower at a public pool?

Please don’t chastise me for attacking a straw man. If this is not a problem, please explain why. The frustrating thing is that what I get on the news (e.g., the clip of the attorney general’s speech yesterday) does not explain the details of the law. It seems that to ask for clarification is to declare oneself a bigot.

TIA
LAS

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Question about the NC Bathroom Law [View all] LAS14 May 2016 OP

Sorry but it is a straw man. A pre-op or non-op trans woman is not going to use the women's MillennialDem May 2016 #1

But if this person were actually... LAS14 May 2016 #2

Your question doesn't make sense. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #5

In my experience,some showers at public swimming pools... LAS14 May 2016 #9

Still nonsensical. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #43

"Single parents brought their opposite-sexed children to open swim all the time." jberryhill May 2016 #53

It's a downright terrible idea. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #58

If this is really a concern, alter the law to allow legitimate trans protections. By legitimate I MillennialDem May 2016 #7

Few points Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #76

I'm trans and well aware of many of your points... and some are WRONG MillennialDem May 2016 #77

The pedophiles and voyeurs are ALREADY IN THE BATHROOMS!!!! cleanhippie May 2016 #8

I agree that being transgender has nothing... LAS14 May 2016 #10

Your specific question about a pool shower is nonsense. cleanhippie May 2016 #12

This law has nothing to do with pedophiles and voyeurs either, FYI jberryhill May 2016 #31

I agree Separation May 2016 #82

The argument you are using is based on a false premise--one that is promoted by ignorant people-- mnhtnbb May 2016 #22

One is not trans for 15 minutes One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #70

Actually, a straight-presenting man did that in a gym here in Washington, and pointed to our law pnwmom May 2016 #66

so he needs to be cited greymattermom May 2016 #72

Here is how I see it - Do you look at other people when you go to a public restroom? liberal N proud May 2016 #3

That's why I tried to make it clear that... LAS14 May 2016 #4

Well, public bathrooms are far more common than public showers. And generally public MillennialDem May 2016 #14

I agree that showers are probably avoided by... LAS14 May 2016 #16

I doubt the government wants cross sex showering (or even bathroom use) for NOT OK reasons - MillennialDem May 2016 #20

Maybe we're getting somewhere.( LAS14 May 2016 #24

A point you still don't understand jberryhill May 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Fla Dem May 2016 #44

And shouldn't women have the right to undress without a straight peeping tom pnwmom May 2016 #67

Frankly... jberryhill May 2016 #19

I don't have recent experience... LAS14 May 2016 #28

Unisex bathrooms seem to be the long-term answer. Everybody poops. IamMab May 2016 #6

I was asking about showers, not bathrooms. LAS14 May 2016 #15

I think the better question is.... usedtobedemgurl May 2016 #11

here are my questions to you La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #13

I don�t support the law. But neither do I want... LAS14 May 2016 #18

You are 180 degrees from correct jberryhill May 2016 #23

"But neither do I want people with penises in the shower with me or my children" cleanhippie May 2016 #27

It hasn't been a problem. LAS14 May 2016 #30

I'm hostile because your "question" is asinine and clarifies nothing. cleanhippie May 2016 #33

North Carolina was founded in 1653 jberryhill May 2016 #42

No, your continued obtuseness is causing my hostility. cleanhippie May 2016 #64

it's been a problem for me--I've had guys hang around entrance to bathrooms to hit on me zazen May 2016 #62

no, i am saying that the law is written in a bigoted ways. if the object was to stop cisgender men La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #37

You know what's really weird? jberryhill May 2016 #41

Ok, I need to look up "cisgender" have no idea what that is. Katashi_itto May 2016 #45

For you or others: 'Cis' and 'Trans' are prefixes from Latin, 'Cis' means 'on this side of' and Bluenorthwest May 2016 #73

Cool explanation. Thanks. So cis stands for ? Katashi_itto May 2016 #75

Cis means "on this side" LostOne4Ever May 2016 #80

Yeah I understand the chemical breakdown. But In the context of trans? Katashi_itto May 2016 #83

Trans is crossing gender, cis is staying on the same side of gender. Change vs staying the same. LostOne4Ever May 2016 #84

AHA! Thanks! ok now it makes sense. Katashi_itto May 2016 #85

"If this is not a problem, please explain why." jberryhill May 2016 #17

As I tried to make clear in my OP, I don�t support the NC law... LAS14 May 2016 #21

The DoJ sued NC for violating the Constitution with this law. cleanhippie May 2016 #25

No. I was asking a little bit more complicated question. LAS14 May 2016 #32

Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick! People with penises in the womens shower? cleanhippie May 2016 #34

HB2 DOES NOT "EXCLUDE PEOPLE WITH PENISES FROM WOMEN'S SHOWERS" jberryhill May 2016 #40

" It's a question about the government's interpretation of the law." jberryhill May 2016 #26

See my response #18 and read the OP again. I don't... LAS14 May 2016 #36

I read your post #18 jberryhill May 2016 #39

I read your post #18 jberryhill May 2016 #29

We may be getting somewhere. LAS14 May 2016 #48

what laws are these: jberryhill May 2016 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Fla Dem May 2016 #69

Calling HB2 the bathroom law does little to foster an honest conversation littlemissmartypants May 2016 #38

You're right about the name. LAS14 May 2016 #49

I'm sorry, but you sound just like the right wing idiots in my state cwydro May 2016 #46

We need a culture where it's OK to .... LAS14 May 2016 #50

Someone causing offense and alarm in a public shower is engaging in disorderly conduct jberryhill May 2016 #52

I for one have never been under the influence of toluene in a public place. Orrex May 2016 #54

Oddly jberryhill May 2016 #55

I think I caught your act in Pasadena Orrex May 2016 #56

The Rose Bowl Parade really inspires me to greatness jberryhill May 2016 #59

Do you want to arrest mothers who take their young sons into the women's shower? yes or no? jberryhill May 2016 #60

Your last sentence suggests that you've found a way to give that clarification. Orrex May 2016 #47

When I was in high school, we were required... 3catwoman3 May 2016 #57

Why do republicans confuse going to the bathroom with sex? B Calm May 2016 #61

The Government doesn't get involved unless there's a complaint. haele May 2016 #63

The government's position is that whether or not you have a penis, Nye Bevan May 2016 #65

Analysis of the post. LAS14 May 2016 #68

That 'anaylsis' is very self serving..... Bluenorthwest May 2016 #74

Citation, please. Orrex May 2016 #79

Your post is important.... usedtobedemgurl May 2016 #78

A transgender woman has never attacked anyone in a bathroom. alarimer May 2016 #71

I excluded bathrooms from my question. And how do you.. LAS14 May 2016 #81