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In reply to the discussion: Question about the NC Bathroom Law [View all]jberryhill
(62,444 posts)"But it sounds to me like the government's position may invalidate existing laws that do keep them out."
Please point me to these existing laws.
You seem to believe that there are such laws. In general, there are not. Because, as pointed out above, if a mom at the pool wants to take her five year old son into the women's locker room to shower, instead of sending him into the men's locker room alone, that has been pretty NORMAL everywhere for a long time. You want to criminalize NORMAL behavior.
A lot of social behavior is governed not by law, but by social convention. Extreme violations of social conventions are generally pursued under the catch-all of "disorderly conduct".
While the formulation varies, "disorderly conduct" laws deal with a wide swath of inappropriate behavior which the actor knows or should know is likely to cause offense and alarm.
We have managed to deal with bathrooms for a long time as a society without such laws as you seem to think exist. If someone is causing a ruckus in the showers at your public pool, there have long been ways of dealing with it that do not involve any laws at all. It is this absence of laws, and the moderating forces of social convention, that have long allowed people to use the bathroom with which they identify, to the utter oblivious inattention of people who are using facilities for their intended purpose.
But, please, go ahead and tell me about these "existing laws" which you believe would be somehow invalidated by the observation that tying bathroom use to birth certificates is a fucking stupid idea that is only targeted to discriminate against people who were bothering NO ONE prior to HB2.
Since we are making progress, and you reference "existing laws" which you feel will be "invalidated", it is your burden at this point in the discussion to identify these "existing laws" about which you are concerned.
Absent your identification of these laws, then you are not discussing law, you are making shit up.
The "existing laws" deal with such classification as "lewd behavior in public" or "disorderly conduct". The "existing laws" are intended to address "people who are causing a problem" and not "what's on your birth certificate".
Do you understand the difference between laws addressing status as a person, and laws addressing conduct?
One could just as easily point at what you are saying and exclaim - "You don't want to do anything about male pedophiles molesting boys in male facilities" - because that entire subject doesn't seem to concern you, even though it is much more common and real than your fixation with penises and who has them.