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In reply to the discussion: Question about the NC Bathroom Law [View all]jberryhill
(62,444 posts)52. Someone causing offense and alarm in a public shower is engaging in disorderly conduct
Why do you believe the disorderly conduct laws, public lewdness laws, and the various other catch-alls which have been used for decades to address the circumstances of your concern?
This is California Penal Code Section 647:
Section 647: Every person who commits any of the following acts is guilty of disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor
(a) Who solicits anyone to engage in or who engages in lewd or dissolute conduct in any public place or in any place open to the public or exposed to public view.
(b) Who solicits or who agrees to engage in or who engages in any act of prostitution. A person agrees to engage in an act of prostitution when, with specific intent to so engage, they manifest an acceptance of an offer or solicitation to so engage, regardless of whether the offer or solicitation was made by a person who also possessed the specific intent to engage in prostitution. No agreement to engage in an act of prostitution shall constitute a violation of this subdivision unless some act, in addition to the agreement, is done within this state in furtherance of the commission of an act of prostitution by the person agreeing to engage in that act. As used in this subdivision, "prostitution" includes any lewd act between persons for money or other consideration.
(c) Who accosts other persons in any public place or in any place open to the public for the purpose of begging or soliciting alms.
(d) Who loiters in or about any toilet open to the public for the purpose of engaging in or soliciting any lewd or lascivious or any unlawful act.
(e) Who lodges in any building, structure, vehicle, or place,whether public or private, without the permission of the owner or person entitled to the possession or in control of it.
(f) Who is found in any public place under the influence of intoxicating liquor, any drug, controlled substance, toluene, or any combination of any intoxicating liquor, drug, controlled substance, or toluene, in a condition that they are unable to exercise care for their own safety or the safety of others, or by reason of their being under the influence of intoxicating liquor, any drug, controlled substance, toluene, or any combination of any intoxicating liquor, drug, or toluene, interferes with or obstructs or prevents the free use of any street, sidewalk, or other public way.
(h) Who loiters, prowls, or wanders upon the private property of another, at any time, without visible or lawful business with the owner or occupant. As used in this subdivision, "loiter" means to delay or linger without a lawful purpose for being on the property and for the purpose of committing a crime as opportunity may be discovered.
(i) Who, while loitering, prowling, or wandering upon the private property of another, at any time, peeks in the door or window of any inhabited building or structure, without visible or lawful business with the owner or occupant.
(j) (1) Any person who looks through a hole or opening, into, or otherwise views, by means of any instrumentality, including, but not limited to, a periscope, telescope, binoculars, camera, motion picture camera, or camcorder, the interior of a bedroom, bathroom, changing room, fitting room, dressing room, or tanning booth, or the interior of any other area in which the occupant has a reasonable expectation of privacy, with the intent to invade the privacy of a person or persons inside. This subdivision shall not apply to those areas of a private business used to count currency or other negotiable instruments..
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Do you notice that the sections I highlighted do not single out a class of persons for disparate treatment?
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Sorry but it is a straw man. A pre-op or non-op trans woman is not going to use the women's
MillennialDem
May 2016
#1
"Single parents brought their opposite-sexed children to open swim all the time."
jberryhill
May 2016
#53
If this is really a concern, alter the law to allow legitimate trans protections. By legitimate I
MillennialDem
May 2016
#7
The argument you are using is based on a false premise--one that is promoted by ignorant people--
mnhtnbb
May 2016
#22
Actually, a straight-presenting man did that in a gym here in Washington, and pointed to our law
pnwmom
May 2016
#66
Here is how I see it - Do you look at other people when you go to a public restroom?
liberal N proud
May 2016
#3
Well, public bathrooms are far more common than public showers. And generally public
MillennialDem
May 2016
#14
I doubt the government wants cross sex showering (or even bathroom use) for NOT OK reasons -
MillennialDem
May 2016
#20
"But neither do I want people with penises in the shower with me or my children"
cleanhippie
May 2016
#27
it's been a problem for me--I've had guys hang around entrance to bathrooms to hit on me
zazen
May 2016
#62
no, i am saying that the law is written in a bigoted ways. if the object was to stop cisgender men
La Lioness Priyanka
May 2016
#37
For you or others: 'Cis' and 'Trans' are prefixes from Latin, 'Cis' means 'on this side of' and
Bluenorthwest
May 2016
#73
Trans is crossing gender, cis is staying on the same side of gender. Change vs staying the same.
LostOne4Ever
May 2016
#84
Calling HB2 the bathroom law does little to foster an honest conversation
littlemissmartypants
May 2016
#38
Someone causing offense and alarm in a public shower is engaging in disorderly conduct
jberryhill
May 2016
#52
Do you want to arrest mothers who take their young sons into the women's shower? yes or no?
jberryhill
May 2016
#60