Listen, Liberal by Thomas Frank

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71. Your points are mostly valid

in regards to the polices and their effects. I could have lived without the little dig at the end, that aside.

1) We don't elect Kings/Queens. People get myopic. POTUS does not do write and declare laws. They most times have marginal say in writing them. Now, they can veto them, and I supposed Bill could have vetoed these bills. At the time, there still was this thing that existed where the POTUS worked with the other party to do things. And, overall the bills were reflective of what the country as a whole wanted at the time.

2) POTUS DOES get elected - first in the primary and second in the general. Clinton mostly said he would support these things when running, the voters, both democrats in the primary, and the overall electorate in the general, elected him knowing that.

Both to the point - they aren't the cause, they are the symptom. Of a country too easily swayed by right wing bullshit/too fucking apathetic to fight for the kinds of things necessary to make the country better.

That said, while Clinton and BHO were "centrist" in some ways, and certainly too cozy with big money, they did advance progressive policy positions. And, while we might be left wanting, we were infinitely better off than what we would have gotten with an R as POTUS.

Hillary, it is what it is. I knew it a year ago when this all started, there simply are more democrats who are comfortable with her/her name than they are with Bernie. It was close, Bernie made a serious run at it. But, it is a reflection of the reality that while we see those policies that clearly would better serve this country moving forward in a better way that Bernie advocates for, there are more democrats who see more in Hillary.

That isn't her fault, everyone gets to run for POTUS, witness Trump. He is a meglomaniac idiot. That is plainly clear. He isn't the issue, it's that there is a critical mass in this country fucking stupid enough to possibly make him POTUS.