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Cosmocat

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74. Again

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:53 AM

May 2016

I did not post, in any way, shape or form, the statements you infer.

They make no sense, and are reflective of arguing with someone you want to be arguing with.

It is pretty simple.

The things that you note are things that politicians run on.

Those politicians get elected.

1 + 1 =2 (this is the stuff that people voted for)

To whatever extent the powers to be in the democratic party have veered in this direction (and again, I mostly agree with that point) a BIG chunk of the democratic party is OK with it, because, you know, they vote for these people ...

Hillary isn't great, but is better than Trump, Cruz or any other R.

By a long mile.

I would prefer a strong progressive as POTUS, but absent that, I will cast the vote for the centrist, cozy with big money D vs not voting and possibly enabling worse to be POTUS.

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